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Kurt Member ![]() Posts: 1508 From: Suffern, NY USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
I thought I’d start a thread where we can chart our progress since IGS. Bobs theory that ‘insatiable curiosity is the fountain of youth’ is true! I’ve been tapping into my own curiosity and those dizzy spells are starting to go away. Also I think my eyesight is improving. I was familiar with most of the chords and voicings from Bob’s afternoon class, but the rhythmic ideas boggled my mind. I’ve started working my way thru a book called “A Rhythmic Vocabulary.” It’s a method book that guides one thru Afro-Cuban rhythms based on 3 and 4, and eventually gets into 3 over 4. Then there’s a book called “African Rhythm and African Sensibility” by John Chernoff. I dying to read that but I’ve promised myself to finish the other book first. I’ve been using Bob’s strum and slap technique and I plan to build upon it. I’ll be going back to his videos when I find time, especially his Caribbean Guitar video. Thanks Bob, for the heavy inspiration. Thanks to Woody’s morning class, I can now play steady versions of a few Rev. Davis tunes. I’m starting to think about variations. From his class I learned to think of the bass and melody as two separate animals. My listening to the music of RGD and Joseph Spence is on a new level. So, not only am I learning from Woody himself, but also from the masters who came before. Thanks Woody for opening doors and being such a strong spirit. An overriding theme is that there’s no magic bullet that deepens music. It’s a wonderful journey, but one that requires devotion. IP: Logged |
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Tim Mitchell unregistered |
One thing that has changed is that now there is always a guitar in my living room in an open tuning. I have come up with a little practice drill for myself. Whenever I have been playing my guitar in standard tuning, I will pick up the other guitar in the room that is always in some sort of open tuning, and try to come up with a different arrangement of the song in whatever tuning the other guitar is in. This can prove very frustrating, but it really makes you think. BTW, I will now cut and paste this into word to check the spelling...there, all better. IP: Logged |
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Jim Dwyer Member Posts: 17 From: Washington DC Registered: Nov 1999 |
I didn't take any of Bobs classes at IGS but I was lucky enough to sit down on the last night with Bob and a few other curious souls so that Bob could show us 3 over 4. That one session and a gift from IGS in the form of a song book, that was only given to me because I was the last person there and I was helping clean up, that had a few pieces in it by Dama and D'Gary, two guitarists from Madagascar. So I had the idea of 3 over 4 in my head and song book with tab and a cd to listen to and off I went. I can now play one song all the way through and it is great. I also bought a malagasy guitar album called "The Moon and the Banana Tree" which has a whole bunch of 3 over 4. I also find myself using it when I play blues solos. I can play all of the songs from Woodys morning class but have not yet memorized them all. That will be my next step. I have analysed all of the songs and realize that each one has certain techniques that are needed to play acoustic blues. This really shows how great of a teacher Woody is. He makes each new technique simple and fun. I regret to say that what I learned in Martins class has yet to be applied. I haven't been writing as many songs lately but when I get back to it I know that I will use his song writing techniques. I also don't play out of standard tuning that often but the Malagasy tune I learned is in open g so that is a start. I have played in open tunings in the past but just figured out what sounded good without analysing it musically so that I know what I am doing. Maybe a few Zepplin pieces in the as well. Actually one of Martins ideas is being applied now. Martin believes that style is a limitation. He's right. I now play many styles and guitars during the same practice session. I am still taking flamenco lessons. This is really helping to improve my right and left hand techniques. Some of the pieces I attempt are simply impossible to play. But somehow I manage to work them out over a few weeks time and make them sound pretty good. My rasgeudo is sounding good, my tapping, tremelo, accents, and right hand thumb techniques are improving. Best of all I sound like a spainard! I am teaching guitar as well. I have a new jazz student tonight. This has been something I have always avoided in the past. Because I have been too busy thinking about what "I" want to learn and maybe didn't feel that I had what it took to teach somebody to do what we do. I am really enjoying it now. I teach electric blues, rock, r&b, soul and jazz. Basically "pop" guitar. It helps me to continue to play different styles, is quite rewarding, and pays for my car! To top all of this off my bed time reading is Mark Levins "The Jazz Theory Book". I recommend it if you want to learn jazz and blues theory. It is a little dry but what the heck. I had set a goal to do some open mics by years end and I may make it yet. I need to start playing out more but I am in the middle of a huge change in style and technique so my song list is a little sparse. I want to do solo gigs so the list of songs that I played with bands needs to be relearned and I refuse to play in the acousitic folk style so basically I have alot of work to do to reach the ultimate goal of being just like Bob. He's my idol. I love you Bob and can't wait to see you again! ;-) Seriously though I only recommend this regement to the completely obsessed or the broken hearted. For details of my sorted affairs go to www.broken_hearted_fools_and_obssessed_ding_dongs.com and search their online mental help sessions! IP: Logged |
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mikeln Member ![]() Posts: 420 From: Poway, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
Well doing the "all Brozman, all the time" at camp pretty well saturated me with the Brozman music ethic. I've been practicing 1-3 hrs after work every night that I'm not playing a gig. The one Hawaiian workshop, and a short lesson with Orville inspired me to aquire a 1928 style 2 tricone squareneck and Bob's Hawaiian video (and all the old Hawaiian albumns I could find), and play! I alternate between the lap steel, and my regular tricone. Trying to work up enough repetoire to carry a 2-3 hr gig with some variety. Fingerstyle blues, jazz, calypsos...lap steel Hawaiian, and blues, and some country (just to be annoying!). So much to learn...so little time to play (darn day job gets in the way!). Following Bob's "Anarchy" philosophy has really opened up my playing...it enabled me to ignore my formal instruction and play any way that works... IP: Logged |
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Paul Heumiller Member Posts: 113 From: Clarksburg, NJ, USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
I had started to rededicate myself to music this past spring. I have always played in bands since I was a teenager. But I took a break 2 years ago when my second child was born. This spring I also decided to finally learn how to fingerpick and slide. I originally started playing to write songs and I really wanted to add fingerstyle to help expand my canvas for songwriting. I learned some John Hurt pattern picking tunes by myself and signed up for IGS NYC. I had no idea what to expect and I came home with a burning desire to play what I heard all week from teachers and students. Not just the techniques, but the tunes. Then throw in open tunings, slide, double thumbing. I knew I'd have some work to do back home! Since IGS, I have found a routine that allows me to make steady progress, even with my hectic life. I have two little ones, 2 dogs, a house, etc... At first I got up at 6am and played for an hour, but as the weeks went past I just needed more. Now I get up at 5am every day, even weekends, and I play and write for about 3 hours before I have to work. I've also added a Martin backpacker to my file cabinet at work and I play it when I can. I've also had the great fortune of being able to continue taking lessons with Woody and everytime I meet with him I am inspired by his beautiful music and total harmony with the instrument. I feel like I am making great strides in playing and writing and I am certainly enjoying the ride!! I've learned some good technique and alot of tunes, but most importantly I've learned that I'll never leave music on the sidelines again. I love to play and write, it's part of who I am!, who we are! IP: Logged |
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Kurt Member ![]() Posts: 1508 From: Suffern, NY USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
Wow Paul. That is amazing. I'm inspired. I have friends who get up that early, but they are off to the city to do carpentry, electricity or plumbing. I usually do my playing late at night after the kids get to bed and after I calm down. I'm sure the brain works better in the morning though. Keep up the good work. IP: Logged |
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Eddie Punch Member Posts: 1361 From: Freiburg, Germany Registered: Nov 1999 |
Hi Kurt, nice thread. After IGS my playing changed in that I got my slide over from my third to my fourth finger and my guitar spends more time balanced on my left leg rather than sitting on my right leg. Most of my guitars are now tuned to open C most of the time. When I go busking now I "Play like I just don't give a damm." a la Bob Brozmann. If someone stops who looks as if he might like jazz I'm trying to get clean hokum groove going with the slide in open C but ai ain't got it yet. That fills 30 minutes or so. I have a bit of trouble remembering how I played before IGS New York ! IP: Logged |
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Tim Mitchell unregistered |
In the name of all that is holy, you must stop playing that song.... IP: Logged |
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David Horn Member Posts: 33 From: Longmeadow, MA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
Hi Kurt, and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. My objective for attending IGS was to reduce my dependence on the plectrum and improve my fingerpicking skills, so I put a lot of effort learning the material from Woody's morning class. I've been able to memorize and play all of the 'Woody' tunes with a fair amount of proficiency, particularly the ones by Rev Gary Davis. I've also learned Patton's 'Green River', 'Arms of Mary' by Leo Kottke and have most recently worked out 'Chump Man Blues' by Blind Blake. It's been a lot of fun digging out the old recordings that I haven't listened to in a while and hearing them in a totally new light. As for Bob's afternoon material, I've gone through the tapes many times. I have been playing around with the rhythm ideas that we learned, but was kind of stuck with where to go next. I look forward to checking out the books you refer to in your posting, Kurt. Fortunately there's a lot of material on the tapes so I have more to work on, particularly the swing progressions. I will be moving from Pensacola to Springfield, Mass, in January, so hopefully I can get to NY pretty easily. Maybe we can hook up for a class or show sometime. IP: Logged |
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Tom Austin unregistered |
well, I've got a familiar feeling: I'm totally intimidated by the eloquence and dedication of my IGS classmates. I came home from IGS totally inspired and ran into a couple of brick walls: 1) my life, where a flurry of job stress and the stress of moving really put a crimp in my guitar playing, and 2) the resistance of my band mates to my flurry of new ideas. You see, I play bass in a startup classic-rock cover band. I had no experience when I joined (on guitar), and it seemed like the right thing at the time. Now, I wanted to try polyrhythms and calypso and endless hot blues jams, and they just weren't into it. I reached a compromise with them and myself, because they're a good bunch (and six hours a week on bass is GREAT exercise). Most of our rehearsals I'm with the program of polishing the chestnuts we do (oh yes, Mustang Sally and Kansas City and Love Potion Number 9 and countless other bar-band staples), and one rehearsal a month I get to run things. I'm going to play them the "deconstructed jam session" tape and bend their heads a little, see if I can channel some Brozmaniac energy into our little combo. on other fronts, I've taken three songs from Woody's morning class (Oh Glory, Sally, Weeping Willow) and am working through them every time I practice. I'm now back to playing at least a few minutes a day, and I'm trying to get unconscious and muscle-memorized on them so I can start playing around with them like Woody says. I'm making good progress. I also play a couple of the Brozman ideas every time (Lazy Blues, the Calypsos, the swing jazz stuff, the Patton "deep water" riff. Once that's up to speed I'm going to grab my Martin Simpson "Smoke and Mirrors" book (I've already worn thin the CD) and, uh, "borrow" some ideas. I'm going to take Martin's class next year, I think, because songwriting is a direction I really want to go in. I'm going to push myself to have an original to play in the student concert next year. Ooops, now I've said it, that means I have to do it. I'm still glowing and inspired, three months later. Keep it up, IGS folks! play 'til your fingers hurt! IP: Logged |
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bill keitel Member Posts: 740 From: worthington mn. usa Registered: Nov 1999 |
Reflecting on the past 5 months since I.G.S.; I think it has given me the strengh to go out and do whats got to be done. It gives weak men strength, other men courage. Its alot like powder milk biscuits. Seriously, I went out and promoted and got some jobs that should never been for of guy of my skill level but everybody was happy, got paid enough to buy a new sound system and mike (re-invest-Ha!) Even did some repeat performances (great ego booster), this is however, a testament to the musical wasteland in which I live, not to my skill level. If someone of my novice ability can do this, imagine if you all(who seemed like, way! better) went out with plectrums in hand and on fingers. You could rekindle a spirit of a past culture. Now a burning question to anybody who wants to answer. This "MODES" thang , I have a very limited amount of time to dedicate to playing guitar. Because of this I have to decide what I need to practice. I am also, a musical anarchist,----- I suspect, on my kindergarten report card ,it must have said "plays well with others, except in music class" To the point- my question- Do you think I can still live a meaningful life and get a feeling of fullfillment without studying "modes" at my present stage in life? IP: Logged |
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tim mitchell unregistered |
A couple of comments...I too have been pillaging the smoke and mirrors book...It is amazing stuff and once you get it under your fingers its seems so simple( of course once you understand calculus, that seems simple also :-) As far a Bills wondering about the mode stuff..I would say dont try to learn it all at once, but take a little it at a time and try to add it to what you already play/know. I will now admit that until this forum, I did not even know the basic "do,re,mi" major scale. I do now, and it really is a usefull little scale. I guess that is why it is so popular :-) Well, I am in the beautiful state of Delaware, and need to stop using this computer. See Ya all... IP: Logged |
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Bob Brozman Member Posts: 2590 From: Brozmanistan, Earth Registered: Nov 1999 |
These are really nice posts you guys have sent! Here's my 2 cents: I didn't quite realize, when we started camp, how strong the philosophical ideas would permeate our whole community. What a fun, open-minded, SMART bunch of folks you all are. For me, a very gratifying moment was watching the jams which took place after the deconstructed jams. It was so rewarding to see the rapid diffusion of our simple ideas about jamming methods and manners--which boil down to this simple formula: LISTENING + RESPECT + be NICE + PLAY PARTS - EGO = GOOD MUSIC, FUN, AND FELLOWSHIP! And so now when I give workshops around the world, i am not shy about promoting this type of attitude in between the notes and beats! Keep it up, it is inspiring! IP: Logged |
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Kurt Member ![]() Posts: 1508 From: Suffern, NY USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
I Just wanted to bring this thread back up to the top because I like it. IP: Logged |
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