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Hambone Member Posts: 642 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Jan 2000 |
The posts about callouses were getting so good, I decided to start a new thread. So tell us a story about what every guitarist knows: calloused fingertips. IP: Logged |
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Bobmarley Member Posts: 6 From: Pottersville, NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2000 |
okay, back in the day when I first started playing guitar, before I had any form or semblance of callous, I had this guitar that I'd bought at a flea market for 7 dollars. I thought I was so cool, getting a guitar with 6 (countem) 6 strings on it, that had 6 (countem) 6 tuning things on it, I thought I'd made out like a fat rat. Well the bridge was warped, (course I didn't know that) so much that the strings were raised as much as a slide guitar. My abusive girlfriend at the time, (don't know what I was thinking, probably just wasn't) thought that she played guitar. Well, I will never be able to forget her no matter how hard I try because she taught me how to play a C chord. warped girlfriend, and she was gonna teach Anyway, I had my warped guitar, and my me this chord, so she sat behind me on her couch with a rolled-up Tori Amos song book, (now Tori Amos writes a song about when the mailman doesn't bring her anything, so needless to say this book was fat) and every time I played that chord and it so much as squeaked-BAP! I didn't know what I was gonna do! No matter what I was never gonna be able to get those strings down! (Though of course neither one of us knew that at the time and I assume she still wouldn't care to notice, experienced guitar player that she was.) By act of god, desperation, cosmic joke, or numb brain, I eventually played a C that passed her stringent standards, and went home. Now that I've typed this I don't know what it has to do with callouses, other than I didn't have them at the time. IP: Logged |
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Kurt Member ![]() Posts: 1508 From: Suffern, NY USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
Cool story bob. I have a guitar that I got for $125 on eBay. It's a 195? Harmony archtop with pretty high action. I play it all the time. Great for making my other guitars feel like butter. I haven't had many problems's with callouses (knock on wood) but I have been pondering the amazing resilience of the human body. I started using a thumb pick about a month ago. I remember the first hour, after which my thumb hurt like hell, turned red, and swelled up a bit. Now, a mere 30 days later, I can wear the damn thing all day and not bat an eye. Go figure. I also remember my first chord, also C. My hand cramped up like crazy. I thought it was impossible. That was a long time ago, but I remember it like yesterday. I'm working on the Robert Johnson turnaround in A and doing lots of arrangements of nursery rhymes using Rev. Davis' favorite chords. I can't wait til those grips feel as comfortable as that C chord does now. Any shortcuts? IP: Logged |
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Bobmarley Member Posts: 6 From: Pottersville, NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2000 |
requests? FUCK NO! Bobmarley is really the illustrious Ben Newhouse, a student of life you know quite well, and knows nothing of what you call alternative thumb syncopated harmonized triads! (Muah-hah-hah-hah) IP: Logged |
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RagtimeWillyX unregistered |
Callouses saved my fingers.... I had played fingerstyle blues guitar for 10 - 15 years, and then gave it up. Job, other stuff got in the way. About 6 years, several years after I had stopped playing regularly, I started to develop a skin condition on the tips of my fingers. The skin would get hard (still not because of callouses), die, split open, and leave either an open crack, or just very sensitive new skin. Then the cycle would start over again. I thought I would never play guitar again. I went to a dermatologist and was told it was just part of the aging process. A couple of years ago, when the problem was in remission, I started playing again, rebuilt my callouses. Now when tne condision comes back the callouses protect my finger tips. I guess I'll just have to keep playing. IP: Logged |
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St. Louis Picker unregistered |
I read RagtimeWillyX's callous account with great interest. I'm a steel-string six-string player and a bass player. I began to have the exact symptoms Willy described and became quite a missionary on the topic. My dermatologist didn't quite know what was causing it but said I might have begun lacking an enzyme in my skin (a la the aging process Willy mentioned). My fingers lost the ability to blister and then form callouses along with an extreme lack of moisture. I would go straight to the "paper cut" split fingers Willy described. I couldn't play music, golf, nothing. I found great relief with a prescription of Pscorcon, a hydrocortisone ointment, but just as good results with Vitamin E -- you can buy it OTC as an ointment in a jar. Put the stuff on your fingers and then put a band-aid over them TIGHTLY (those knuckle and fingertip band-aids work the best). This causes "occlusion" driving the ointment into the fingers. I could practically see my fingers improve before my eyes (I use to be able to actually watch them split open -- very disheartening). But I'm cured now...my fingers will blister and form callouses. You know what finally did it? More sleep. That's right. (Even my dermatologist was amazed.) I'm kind of a nightowl/workaholic and when I finally got more sleep, things improved drastically. Playing bass is fine now (nylon strings help; a little softer to the touch, though I think I could stand flatwounds... roundwounds, I don't know. Six-string with steel strings is still a little tough but if I work up the callouses, who knows? Hope my 2-cents helps. IP: Logged |
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mikeln Member ![]() Posts: 420 From: Poway, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
Well, don't hold this against me, but left had callouses have never been a problem for me...I seem to develop "leather skin" on those fingers automatically with no blistering etc. But my right hand...different story! I mainly play bass, and only with my fingers, it takes several "blood blisters" before I get decent skin buildup. Then I don't dare stop playing for any length of time 'cause it goes away quickly and I have to endure the pain all over again! I have found that an old backpacking trick for "Hardening" feet works pretty well for fingers also...when trying to harden you finger tips, rinse them in rubbing alcohol once a day...it seems to accelerate the process (for me) {disclaimer...use at your own risk} Also, on the flatwound/roundwound topic...flatwounds rip up my fingers worse than roundwounds, probably because there's more string surface in contact with the fingers. [This message has been edited by mikeln (edited January 10, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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Hambone Member Posts: 642 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Jan 2000 |
Old threads never die, they just wait for you to click SEARCH. I find that my callouses are becoming more resilient as I approach Geezerdom. But let's just call a spade a spade: I'm becoming progressively more thick-skinned. I heard Eric Clapton soaks his fingertips in Witch Hazel after performing to preserve his callouses. I tried it, but soon felt silly. My current theory is to simply keep my home humidified: I'm caring for my callouses the same way I care for my wooden guitars, i.e., I prevent the dryness that causes each to crack. [This message has been edited by Hambone (edited January 10, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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Richard Chizek Member Posts: 463 From: Republic of Chizekistan Registered: Aug 2000 |
Never underestimate the level of minutae that visitors to this forum will respond to. I just started doing a guitar workshop with two beginners in my department who recently got guitars. I see the pain in their faces from the struggle to make their fingers work, and recoil from the 'bite' of the strings. I recall how it was the same when I first started playing many moons ago. The tenderness of my delicate digits, the finger cramps from trying to make a 'C,' 'B,' and 'F.' And wrist soreness from bad position technique. My callouses are now sufficiently developed so that my fingertips rarely get tender, my fingers know 'more or less' where to go, and I'm concious enough of correct position to prevent/delay the advent of the dreaded 'repetitive injury syndrome.' Like Kurt, I experienced some tenderness when I first began using thumb and fingerpicks a couple years ago, but that has also vanished. However, I have developed a persistent numbness and tingling in my left hand that my Chiro-Practitioner/Witch-Doctor diagnoses as a 'pinched nerve' caused by a misaligned vertabrae. A potentially degenerative condition, which will from now on require frequent visits to both the 'Back-Cracker' and 'Massage Therapist.' If it keeps me playing, I can deal with it as long as the insurance holds out. (The massage is the best part.) IP: Logged |
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webnash unregistered |
The only pain that I have never experienced while playing guitar, is sore fingertips. When I started playing I actually had the opposite problem from normal people. I was a rock climber for about 200 days per year and my tips were so calloused that they had very little feeling, and not much sensitivity. For new players that are suffering from sore tips, I offer the climber's remedy: Soak them in salt water every evening for 30 minutes or so and they'll heal much quicker than usual. IP: Logged |
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robino Member Posts: 116 From: Lee, MA, USA Registered: Jul 2001 |
I hate to admit it, but if I haven't played for a while and have lost my callouses, I just put a drop of super glue on the tips of my fingers and can play all night... Robin IP: Logged |
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Hambone Member Posts: 642 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Jan 2000 |
robino - i'm impressed. seriously. IP: Logged |
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hoodadoo Member Posts: 2011 From: Westport, Ct., Registered: Mar 2001 |
I haven't really had any problems with my fingers playing guitar. What does destroy my right forefinger is the upright bass. What usually happens is I'll be fine for a while, then I'll get one of those nights where I can't hear myself. Especially when I play acoustic. I have an Underwood pickup on the bass, and normally play through an old Ampeg B-15. What happens at times when I have trouble hearing myself is I tend to play more aggressively. There has been times when I've developed some nasty blisters, sometimes blood blisters. Sometimes they'll break, or burst, sometimes they don't break but are full of fluid. Eventually they'll get hard and the skin will peel away, leaving very tender new skin underneath. Every now and then I go through this same process. I've even had to perform at times with a very sore forefinger. This is the finger I use most for plucking the strings, so there is no way around it. My problem definitely is volume related. When I can hear myself, this doesn't happen. [This message has been edited by hoodadoo (edited January 14, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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Lovat Fraser unregistered |
Hello, about ten years ago when I started playing acoustic guitar rather than electric I went to see Gypsy Dave Smith. Dave is a great Oz Dobro player(in the non-missionary position)and is renowned for his love of pre/during/post love of liquid refreshments. I asked Dave after the gig, over a few "Sherberts" how he got that sound from his Dobbie. "Callouses" said Dave and put his cig out on his picking finger tips. "Awwwright" I screamed. Anyhow, my callouses are variable as I sweat like a wee dog. However I have discovered a great cure for joints, namely my R first finger knuckle. adios, IP: Logged |
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robino Member Posts: 116 From: Lee, MA, USA Registered: Jul 2001 |
Hey Hambone, I know this is late, but thanks... robino IP: Logged |
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Tom Austin Member Posts: 3404 From: Occidental, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
>When I can hear myself, this doesn't happen. Heh. I hear *that*. Used to play bass in an eight-person rock and roll band with a very small room, bad monitors, multiple competing vocalists and an extremely loud drummer. I played with a big flatpick for a while and would play so hard I would break a BASS string every other rehearsal (every five hours of playing, in other words). Then I learned to play with fingers, and only broke one once a month. Most other bass players I know would say "you know, I don't think I've EVER broken a bass string...how do you do it?" I dunno. Just trying to hear myself, I guess. IP: Logged |
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Mizbachevenim unregistered |
I have heard legendary stories of Flea using superglue on his right hand thumb for bass playing. He was screaming in pain as he filled up a hole in his thumb with the gunk. Always found the story chilling. On a tastier note, I make my own tortillas. When I press them out I slap them flat on a very hot cast iron griddle, and flip them a couple of times. The clencher is that I dont have to use a spatula, as the callouses on my left hand save my fingers from the heat for just enough time that it takes to grab it off the hot griddle. I can literally press my fingertips (but not my thumb) on the hot surface for a split-second and suffer no more than warm fingers. I'll have to play lefty for a while before I work in a mexican restaurant. IP: Logged |
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Ally unregistered |
As a new guitar player, this is incredibly valuable!! It is good to know that the numbness and pain in my left hand is just part of the plan. And the cramping during the C chord is not just me. Thanks!! Al IP: Logged |
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Wunderdog Member Posts: 122 From: New Jersey Registered: May 2003 |
Thanks for reviving this thread. I too have been plagued by relentless finger splits that kept me from playing for a number of years (like having dozens of paper cuts on all fingers at once). Tried bag balm, cornhuskers lotion, all kinds of gunk in gloves while sleeping, cortozone creams and even steroid shots. Dermatologists were no help. Impossible to button my own shirt without bleeding on it.... The condition comes and goes, but I've been able to play now long enough this summer to re-develop some "real" callouses. I'm just starting with a new band, and I've hesitated committing to play out of concern that my hands will break wide open right before a gig. Its encouraging to read that others have had this same problem, and that it may eventually go away for good. In the meantime, I'll try getting some sleep... what a novel idea. Its tough though, with that room full of guitars screaming for attention all night. Bob IP: Logged |
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ve7mg Member Posts: 12 From: Oliver,B.C. Canada Registered: May 2003 |
Calluses? They sure are elusive! I am STILL using crazy glue. Dont see to build up those calluses. I am beginning to worry though, if all this crazy glue is harmful to ones system. I sure do go thru a lot of it. doris (canada) IP: Logged |
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Adrian Freed Member ![]() Posts: 2360 From: Berkeley, CA, USA Registered: Oct 2000 |
WUnderdog, Have you tried dietary changes? more fish and nut oils, more water, for example. Try it for a month and let me know if the number of splits goes down. It worked for me. IP: Logged |
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Wunderdog Member Posts: 122 From: New Jersey Registered: May 2003 |
Adrian, What specific oils or other dietary supplements worked for you? My hands have been pretty good this summer, but I know colder weather will flare them up again. Not to mention that I'm goin on vacation tomorrow... the change from near-sea-level New Jersey to 7K plus feet in Colorado always does a job on the old skin. Yikes! I don't eat fish, but I'll get fish oil pills if it will help. Thanks for the suggestion. Bob IP: Logged |
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Adrian Freed Member ![]() Posts: 2360 From: Berkeley, CA, USA Registered: Oct 2000 |
It's the Omega-3 and Omega-6 oils that are found in fish and nuts and butter as I recall. I did it by eating food rather than supplements so I am not sure I can advise what works. If you go the fish route you want wild salmon not farm raised. IP: Logged |
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boxcar mike unregistered |
Pain? Ha! I laugh in the face of pain, I tell you! That's my story, and I'm sticking to it... IP: Logged |
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crossrdblue Member ![]() Posts: 1078 From: Denver, CO Registered: Feb 2001 |
Wunderdog, I live in Colorado, I have good callouses, but I play many, many hours each week. I have constant problems with dry hand skin, I survive thusly - 1) It is not an exaggeration to say I drink gallons of water each day. I carry water with me always, and I am never far from a bathroom or tree! 2) I shower with latex gloves sealed by rubberband (kinky). 3) Aquaphilic lotion for my hands - can be hard to find, but it works. Brad. IP: Logged |
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crossrdblue Member ![]() Posts: 1078 From: Denver, CO Registered: Feb 2001 |
Oh yeah, water does not touch my hands unless I must, such as removal of oil, grease or paint. There are lots of ways to clean hands without washing them - anti-bacterial hand lotions, wipe cloths, etc. When it comes to dry skin, water on the inside is good, water on the outside is very, very bad. IP: Logged |
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Wunderdog Member Posts: 122 From: New Jersey Registered: May 2003 |
Thanks for the suggestions. Off to Pagosa Springs/Durango for two weeks in about ten minutes. I'll look for those funky oils. I always drind gallons of water when we're out that way.....Hoping to catch some good tunes next weekend at Pagosa. Later. Bob IP: Logged |
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Adrian Freed Member ![]() Posts: 2360 From: Berkeley, CA, USA Registered: Oct 2000 |
In case some of you think I make this stuff up: "“Moisturizing isn’t enough,” says Dr. John A. Grossman, board certified aesthetic plastic surgeon, who incorporates wholistic medicine in his practice. He recommends essential fatty acids to his patients, including Dolly Parton and other celebrities. “For softer skin, get plenty of omega-3 fatty acids in your diet. If you’re prone to dry skin, try supplementing with gama linolenic acid (GLA), as well. Take 500 mg capsules of either black currant oil or evening primrose oil twice a day and you should notice benefits within two months,” explains Grossman, a pioneer in plastic surgery procedures, such as the use of fibrin sealant. Omega-3 fatty oil is found in flaxseed (58%), canola, pumpkin and walnut, and soybeans. Fish oils, such as salmon, cod and mackerel, contain the other important omega-3 oils, DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) and EPA (eicosapen-taenoic acid. The most therapeutic form of omega-6 oil is found in evening primrose, black currant and borage oils. Recent studies* also indicate that there is less skin wrinkling with a higher intake of vegetables, olive oil, fish, and legumes. The consumption of butter, margarine, milk products, meat and sugar actually appear to have adverse effects on the skin according to the report. Commenting on the study, Dr.Grossman says, “’The old adage we are what we eat’ seems to be scientifically proven when it comes to our skin.“ IP: Logged |
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Adrian Freed Member ![]() Posts: 2360 From: Berkeley, CA, USA Registered: Oct 2000 |
I would add that beer dehydrates and interfers with uptake of Omega-x fats. IP: Logged |
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crossrdblue Member ![]() Posts: 1078 From: Denver, CO Registered: Feb 2001 |
“’The old adage we are what we eat’ seems to be scientifically proven when it comes to our skin." That would make Dolly P a puffer fish? IP: Logged |
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MichaelL unregistered |
Ally: I'm a new guitar player as well. But I don't have any numbness or pain on my left hand, nor any cramps when playing the C chord. If you do feel that, I think is very likely that you're holding your guitar wrong. It's possible to cause some irreversible injuries if you feel pain/numbness. Again, I'm not an expert guitar player, but it's never good to feel pain/numbness. You might want to try different positions. ------- But there seem to be a lot of good/voodoo stuff to try when/if I have some problems. :-) IP: Logged |
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kill a commie for mommie unregistered |
I have heard the spreading alcohol on your fingertips helps to build calluses faster. Does anyone know if this is true or not? IP: Logged |
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BlindLemonPledge unregistered |
I too have only been playing guitar seriously for a short time but long ago in a past life I morphed one weekend in the early eighties from a sax player to a bass player in a reggae band. Callouses are not a developmental asset to sax players and so I had none. In those days everyone played 'round-wound' strings and the effect these modest sized razor blades had on my neo-post-pubescent-sax-diddling finger tips was somewhat startling. Moments after the down beat of the first tune there would be a little irratation from the tips of my first and second fingers on my right hand, followed by a a rubbery numbness. The rubbery numbness quickly progressed to a full-on juice-filled blister; the half life of which was determined by the current tunes tempo (aka Ska or Dub). The two little dermal pillows eventually sloughed off greasily yielding a sushi-like sub-dermis that only lasted a verse or two before drying out and becoming a lot more like ground beef than anything else. Just as an up tempo version of Too-Much Pressure was being counted off the enevitable gravy would begin to flow and I was wishing I had cattle prods attached to my huevos instead. I soon began to notice that the round winds of the strings were begining to stick to the now clotting pads of blood and the note would not sound until I had actually pried my finger off of the string by pulling it straight out and away from the bass' body causing the strings to smack on the frets. This new percussiveness wildly excited the dancing mob and my screams of pain were carried off like farts in the wind by the roar of the crazed and gyrating throng. For me, everything after all of that was a blur of bi-digital-mayhem, agony, and masochistic extacy. When I finally came-to several years later my fingers had healed and I was wearing a nice hat and mysteriously working in the printing trade in a city 2,500 miles away. Now I am starting all over again with my callouses... Ah... the agony and the extacy of it all... IP: Logged |
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Paul Norman Member ![]() Posts: 1601 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Aug 2003 |
Just as Bulwer-Lytton would have written it. Thanks for sharing. Now I'll go eat my dinner. Bleaaaahhh! IP: Logged |
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Hambone Member Posts: 642 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Jan 2000 |
BlindLemonPledge: I remember. That night in Bloomington/Normal, IL. I remember the blood on your fingers. I was impressed. (FORUM: The reggae band in question was my idea...in '81.) We shouldn't have put you through that. IP: Logged |
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NewMeat unregistered |
I`m a keyboard player(26 yrs) turned guitar "player" ( Driven to it by being unable to get good guitar samples!) Anyway, I have been playing the guitar for a whole 7 months now (And loving it)! A real veteran! lol, however, like everyone else the fingers ached at first. I tried superglue, salt water, alcohol rubs, nothing worked. I had fingertips like ET, were you to put the lights out, I would have bet they glowed! Like probably a lot of new guitar players; I confess, I gave in, I thought to hell with this and went back to the keys. About a month later, I decided to give it another go, this time with a cunning plan; Only play for 10-15 mins a night and only use the 3 wound strings to do my excercises on ( The theory being that callouses are caused by friction, the wound strings give plenty of friction, but not too much bite. I swear, I thought the solid strings were slicing my fingertips at times!, baby soft fingertips) After a week of this; you have lovely callouses, no pain and can then start bending the solid strings to your hearts content, without feeling as though your fingers are being put through an egg slicer!. To any real guitar player; this probably seems laughable, but it worked for me and its worth it. Now, if I could only find a way of getting 10yrs worth of pratice in in 6 weeks I`d be laughing, am I any good?, hell no, but at least my wife can now understand what it is I`m trying to play.
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Lara unregistered |
I've had a bit of bad luck.... got a gig tonight and our guitarist broke his a few nights agao. I play guitar in the band but only in a few songs as I am usually on percussion. Too much extra practice before a gig, not always the best thing. Funny thing is that my skin has hardened on top of the blister so its strong now but holds a bubble underneath.
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Ricochet Member Posts: 895 From: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2004 |
A nice crust of dried superglue on the fingertips helps a lot! IP: Logged |
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wspeck Member Posts: 77 From: Milliken, Colorado, USA Registered: Mar 2004 |
Years ago, I saw Stevie Ray Vaughan play in Mannheim, GE. Part way through the show, he stopped playing but Tommy Shannon and the boys continued to do the Double Trouble thang. Stevie walked over to a small stool just off stage left, applied a nice coat of superglue to the fingertips, came back to centerstage and continued to change the way I listened to music forever. IP: Logged |
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RLR unregistered |
I don't seem to have trouble building up the calluses on my left hand. A week of everyday practice brings back a farily respectable set even if they've dissipated through time off. Recently I ran into trouble when I slipped while using a pair of pliers and clamped down HARD on the TIP of my left index finger! An immediate blood blister formed and though I've tried to keep it drained I'm afraid I'm going to lose the skin (including callus) off the fingertip altogether! IP: Logged |
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