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Bob Brozman
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posted 08-03-2000 16:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Brozman   Click Here to Email Bob Brozman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John Bushouse opened an interesting topic: Advantages/disadvantages of being lefty and playing righty.

First,just by chance, both Woody and I are lefties who play right-handed. I can't speak for Woody, who has a great left hand, but for me, my left hand is very average, and my right hand works really well for me. Your theory of opposite hand being better at "ands" is very interesting and I want to think about that one more, do a little research.....

I also think I could learn the strumming bits MUCH faster than the fretting bits if i tried to reverse.

Then of course there are 3 categories of guitar-playing lefties:
1. Players who reverse the entire guitar
2. Players who reverse the guitar, but not the strings.
3. Players like John Bushouse, Woody, and I who just lay righty.

Finally, it is really semantics and language habit which gives us these terms "playing righty or playing lefty"--we play with both hands. And considering how in American guitar culture,too much attention is given to scales (fretting) and not enough to rhythm (strumming/picking, I think the terms are backwards.

Ideas? Are there other IGS lefties out there?

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I am also a lefty who plays a "regular" guitar. Incedently, I also golf like a righty( a very bad righty, but a righty none the less) Bob, I thought we should use our whole body for the rythym, not just our hand :-)

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For what it's worth:
At a workshop recently, "Dakota" Dave Hull professed to being a "right hand Nazi", i.e. he believes (consistent w/ Bob's observations) that we tend to pay too much attention to fretting and not enough to what's going on at the other end of the strings.

He speculated that we most often use our dominant hand to strum & pick (Woody and Bob being notable exceptions) because that's the harder & more important part.

I know for me personally I've spent decades fretting (pun intended) over the inadequacies of both hands (& my brain of course) but I've recently come to the conclusion that my biggest challenges are rythmic & dynamic. I'm pretty sure my left hand will find enough of the frets to get the point across, but I'm much less sure my right (dominant) hand will make it all sound musical.

Dan

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This is an interesting debate. I think that when i first started, it was easy to strum with my left hand, and making chords was going to be difficult no matter what...so it only made sense to play left handed. After a time, it probably would have been better for fretting to have had my dominant (left) hand available for this, but once I got into more detailed fingerstyle playing, i was glad to have my dominant hand over the soundhole, as it were. I've considered changing over the years, not so much because i have the wrong hands in place, but because all those darn factories keep building everything backwards. ;-)

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There's no way I can stay away from this topic. Firstly, I'm kind of impressed with the ASYMMETRY of guitar. For the most part, each hand is performing an utterly different operation, and, when I think about it, I find it amazing that this coordination is even possible, and that we can play this thing at all. Regarding the lefty/right discussion, I'm occasionally amused when someone comments on my lefthandedness to say, in effect, "one would think that the prefered hand would do the chording..." to which I generally reply that both hands are quite busy with their respective jobs. Personally, when I was a kid, my family emphasized and encouraged my lefthandedness very early. It was one of my earliest identifications - something that made me unique. When I started guitar at 13, I never even considered playing righthanded. Nowadays, I still think lefty players look weird when they play. And I get an odd pleasure when righty guitarists visit my home and complain that they can't play any of my cool guitars.

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i'm also a southpaw that plays in a northerly fashion. my reasoning when i started playing was that i should play the normal way so i wouldn't have to only play my own special guitar. in fact the ax i first learned on was borrowed from a friend and strung conventionally. i realized years later as i looked back on it that when you're first learning the hard thing to do is shape and change chords and all you do with you're right hand is try to keep strumming while this is going on. and being lefthanded gave me an advantage there i think. by the time i understood how important the right hand was my left was already working pretty well. i also agree that one plays with both hands anyway so it's a minor distinction,this lefty-righty thing. we leftys do have an advantage also in this "making a deal with the devil" thing i've been told but i've not looked into that yet. any other leftys done that ?

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I am also a lefty who plays right handed - only because the guitar that was given to me was right handed and it never occured to me to do anything differently. Neither hand worked very well in the beginning anyway - I can't believe my left-handedness was the problem. It seems to me that both hands are used equally although in different ways. I am much more confident in my right hand's ability to fingerpick than my left hands ability to fret the chords.

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Im also a lefty playin right handed guitar. Also I´m a psychologist.
When I was playin double bass the arm used 4 bowing was 2 weak my teacher told me. He clearly had a point. However I refused 2 play one instrument right handed and another leftish..
If I pick up a violin a feel like playin´it letish also drumsets feels right 4 me when i turn ém around 2 suit a leftist..
The relevans of this topic is of course which hand feels best 4 slideplayin´. Most left handed people tend becoem more or less right handed in doing certain things since society at large is sort of oriented 2wards righthanded people. Handedness relates 2 which parts of your brain U use 4 what. Thererfore some people are sort of "both handed" IF a child have not made up it´s mind about which hand 2 use the most when it´s aged 4 - it´s probably a sign of motoric confusion. U can use one hand 4 writing and still have a strong fine motoric skill also in the other hand.
A Danish excentric guy actually played both handed tennis never playin backhand always forehand - maybe the man was "bothhanded"

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For an expanded discussion of lefty musicianship: g a u c h e !

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For an expanded discussion of lefty musicianship: g a u c h e !

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uhm i have a question my frend and i are startin guitar and he is a lefty i hadnt seen any lefty squeir strat packs (guitar he wants) and it would be more expensive to buy the same equipment (or similar) for a lower price if anyone knows a site that has those please email me at monkeythedarkangelswordsman@yahoo.com and 1 more question can u just switch the strings on a righty guitar and play lefty?


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Heeeey... Bob, Woody & Orville are all lefty playin' right.... I smell a conspiracy! Who's next- Trevor, Roy or Tim ?
I am Right / Right (handed that is), however having spent my entire professional life working with my hands and tools I have trained a reasonable amount of ambidexterity into my manual abilities. There was a time when I did more carpnentry and nail guns had not been invented yet that I could hammer with either hand with equal agility. We're talking finish nails here- not flailing away with a war club on stud walls...
I do think that on guitar my right hand is better than my left, but that could be in part due to the fact that my intellectual/memory capacity can be limited and I don't know/remember very many chord-scale-positions.
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Interesting thread. As a kid, the first instrument that I took up was the accordian (okay, laugh, but I'm sure that there are some others of you that are over 50 and are guilty of terrible crimes against humanity via the squeezebox). The layout of the instrument made sense. As a righty, the dominant hand had the tougher chore. It had to hunt and peck the notes for melody and for making chords. As noted above, it did the "intellectual" part of the job. The left hand had the easier task of holding down the rhythmn, made all the easier by the fact that the chords were pre-formed by the buttons. After a while, hitting the right the button-chords became automatic, and their arrangement in adjacent 5ths made key transposition a snap. The rhythmic choices were either oompah oompah, or oom pah pah, oom pah pah. Even my left hand could handle that. Trying to play the piano, however, my left hand gets lost quickly, as it has to do more than execute button patterns. My brain isn't geared for my left hand to play a counter melody or independently moving bass line on a keyboard. In the beginning, the guitar was murder, as the fingers on the "weaker" left hand had to to find their places in both the "x" and "y" axes along the strings in order to make chords. The better right hand was relegated to clutching a pick and strumming (infrequently) when the left hand had finally managed to cramp itself into the shape of a chord. But eventually, the left had learned the patterns, just as it had learned the buttons. That's when it became interesting. Suddenly, it seemed, the left hand could jump like a monkey between the G and C chords, but the right hand couldn't strum fast enough or consistently enough to sound like Peter Paul and Mary singing about Samson and Delilah. I agree with the sentiments expressed above that in rhythmn and dynamics is where the "music" lies. It makes sense to me that the "dominant" hand should handle those tasks, and for a righty, strumming with the right hand feels right to me. In fingerpicking, the process comes full circle. The dominant right hand now handles double duty, taking charge of the rhythmn and, with the left, sounding out the melody. The dynamic nuances are still (predominantly) in the right hand. It makes sense. But all that having been said, it takes both of them to make the process work! When you factor in hammer-ons and pull-offs and damping etc etc it really is amazing that it can be done at all.

Do any of you have an opinion whether it makes a difference on an acoustic versus an electric guitar? My best buddy is a lefty who plays righty. He is just a killer blues/rock guitarist. I couldn't match his lead playing in a million years. But around the camp fire, his acoustic technique isn't up to mine, and I'm certainly no great shakes. Is the mind set an acoustic/electric thing as much as it is a lefty/righty thing?

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flame, good luck to your friend finding a good lefty guitar deal. I won't go into the details of "which guitar to buy", because that's a world unto itself. Most stores have a couple of lefty electric guitars that are as good as the Squier strat, which is an entry level model.

No, you won't find that whole "Strat pack"/everything you need in a box deal for lefties, but here's a little secret: those "Strat packs" are LOUSY deals for the money. They put the crappiest amp, strap, tuner, you name it in those "packs" and market them at beginners. It's a very predatory strategy. If you want a Squier Strat, get a Squier Strat by itself. Then go shopping for a good budget amp. You'll have fun shopping, and you'll get more amp for your money.


Last question: no, you can't just switch the strings around. First, the slots in the nut are different sizes and your fat low E string will NOT fit in the narrow slot on the other side of the nut. Second, your bridge will be backwards and your intonation (the ability for notes and chords up the neck to be in tune when the open strings are in tune) will be messed up. You gotta get a lefty guitar. try southpawguitars.com

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It's neat when stuff like this comes up again - I still wonder about right and left, and occasionally have a sinister thought that the REAL reason I don't play as well as I could is because my (comparatively weaker) right hand is holding me back (couldn't be my lack of dedication or practice).

Wunderdog, I suck equally at electric and acoustic - I don't think it's a lefty/righty thing.

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I find it interesting that there are so many southpaws playing righty. It never occured to me to play lefty. Although I can switch hit in baseball (softball these days). Much more power from the left if anybody cares.

It occured to me when studying flamenco that your rhythm hand is used like a hammer at times. I don't think I could do that type of thing with my left hand. I don't think I could play the hard core metal rhythms from the left either. Now finger picking is a different story. I could probably train my left to do that. Its more articulate. I think this is an inborn trait from ancient history. I throw a much better stone, spear, ... rhythm right handed and I need to eat! I'm hungry baby! Hungry I tell ya!

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Another angle to consider...
Is there a brain-side association with playing the guitar? And is this connected to the left/right handedness? i.e. does a lefty playing righty use the right brain or left brain for either hand in particular?
- just food for thought

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Got to love this, more medicine and music! I am left and play right. The lay answer lies somewhere in the subjective depths of what feels "comfortable" when you hold a guitar, or golf club, hockey stick, kick a ball, etc. Cross your hands across your chest. Now reverse it. Most will revert back to their first choice when distracted. Why? It's more "comfortable."

The medical point:"lefty" brains are wired in a variety of ways as compared to the right-handed brain. Hence, lefties that play left probably have their motor programming in the left brain while lefties that play right more likely have some degree of motor programming in both hemispheres thereby allowing them do do it "backwards". This is called neural asymmetry.

Thus, handedness is probably not a one-dimensional trait or behavior, and is better defined using multiple measures that assess different aspects of hand preference and performance.

I would suggest that those of use who are left and play right are able to do so due to motor programming on both sides of the brain and the a right dominated culture that probably lets us develop our right hands.

Can I bill for this?

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How about people who do both? There's a guy here in town that is a lefty and plays 'standard' guitar lefty, but he plays lapstyle as a righty. The story is that his Dad had a Dobro and didn't want him to change the strings around so he jusy learned it that way.

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Zounds! I never realized there were so many other natural lefties who played guitar in the conventional position. I wonder how the ‘right brain vs. left brain’ theories apply here. Although I experimented with left and right orientation in the throwing and hitting sports, I never tried the shift with guitar. I always thought the left hand was the key, and having some dexterity there seemed an advantage. The downside was that my right hand was/is spastic and uncoordinated, seemingly lacking the basic mechanics for good rhythm, speed, or touch. But, there’s hope. Due to IGS influences, Bob’s workshops and tapes, and somewhat more focused practice my right hand has much improved. I’ll keep playing at it to push my physical limits and extend my own ‘Circle of Spaz.’

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I recommend this book on handidness in people, Atoms, brains and culture:


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I am a full left handed player. I almost always buy right handed guitars and just switch them. Real pain in the butt, somewhat mitigated by the fun of being unique. Yes, you can actually just switch the strings with some success. If the big fat E string will stay in the slot made for the little skinny E string, you're done. If not a pocket knife might persuade it to stay there. Somewhat primitive luthiery. When I get a guitar these days, I'll usually make a new bone nut right away and switch the strings. Other modifications, such as swithing pickguard, changing saddle angle for intonation, adding dots on the side of the neck, come latter. Some of this I do myself, others I have the pros do.

As far as dominant hand issue. I wonder if the dominance persists. I know my grandpa was born left handed but was trained to be right handed as was typical during those times. Thus he was always ambidextrous. Obviously, a hand can learn and increase function. Actually, itall happens in the brain. My right hand does what my left cannot, and vice versa. How much residue of the original dominance remains in our playing after years of training and adding neural circuits in our brain? Fun to ponder. The practical results of the discussion of the rythmic duties of the picking hand do give my some food for thought.

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is it worth buying an opposite-handed guitar if its at a discount?

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Excellent topic, this.

I play lefty -- completely, not just flip a righty guitar. (I'm not really sure which hand is dominant with me -- I write with my right hand, but I grew up in a place and time where schools forced everyone to. Curiously, I've always been able to switch hit in baseball).

I sometimes regret playing lefty -- one of the nice things about the guitar is how many there are of them, and lefties can't play 99% of them. And as we've discussed, if a lefty wants a tricone, he has to rob Fort Knox and get it made custom.

When I started playing guitar, the music I wanted to play (flatpicked rock/country) didn't place nearly as much demand on the picking hand as the music I now prefer (acoustic country blues). As such, I would say the music you want to play is something to consider when decding whether to pick with your dominant hand (with the understanding that this may change over time).

I would also agree with those who've said that guitar playing is not a completely 'one-sided' function: it's more like batting than throwing, and it's a lot easier to learn to switch hit than to 'switch throw'.

And yes, not a week goes by that I get to tell someone who asks to play one of my guitars, "Sure dude -- you can play a left-handed one, can't you?"

I call playing left-handed my 'drunken-picker insurance'!

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It's a tiny bit more involved than just changing the bridge andgle and nut. Most guitars (not resos of course) are asymmetrically braced. This state of affairs was brought on by Martin. Everyone just decided to follow the leader. There's really no good reason that an X braced top wouldn't work just as well. My mentor, Al Carruth, carried out this experiment. He made 2 identical guitars but braced one in the Martin style and one with an X. He took them to an ASIA meeting and had the luthiers try them out. It seems that the X braced guitar had the best overall approval. People were shocked when they got the results. The X brace just "isn't supposed to work."

Anyway, that was a long way of saying that lefties should look for symmetrically braced tops when buying a righty guitar.

Here's a little trick for those of you who don't want to go to the trouble of making an entirely new nut. Fill the slots with baking soda and dribble a tiny amount of cyano glue (e.g. Hot Stuff) on the filled slot. Cyano bonds so well with baking soda that it makes it as hard as the bone it is replacing. Be careful though. Cyano bonds to just about any part of your body instantly. The glue sets up immediately and you can file new slots right away.

I'm a righty but my dad is left handed so I know what you folks go through. He had it even rougher in his day because he was always being pressured to convert. Good old dad never did.

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Everybody fold your hands together, you know interlocking your fingers. Which thumb is on top?
My psychology professor got everyone to do this yesterday saying those with the left thumb on top are more musically inclined.
Seeing we're all guitar players here it would be cool to see how this theory holds up.

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It also may be related to "regular" and "goofy" as defined by certain board sports and may be unrelated to music.

In activities where one foot is forward (surfing, snowboarding, skateboarding, slalom waterskiing), most people prefer their left leg forward (regular) and a minority favor their right foot forward (goofy).

You can demonstrate this by pushing somebody from behind and seeing which foot they put forward to arrest their fall or by sliding across the floor in your stocking feet and seeing which foot forward "feels right".

This phenomenon does not appear to correlate directly to right or left handedness.

I ride "regular" on a snowboard and also favor my left thumb on top, but am right handed.

I'm curious to learn if there are any "goofy" guys out there and which thumb outside is more comfortable for you in the folded hands example. If my hypothesis is correct goofy should favor the right thumb outside and regular the left.

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OK, what does one deduce if you push somebody from behind and they land on their nose?

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Craig wrote:

"Everybody fold your hands together, you know interlocking your fingers. Which thumb is on top?
My psychology professor got everyone to do this yesterday saying those with the left thumb on top are more musically inclined.

Whew! My left thumb wins every time! (I can hardly figure out how to interlock my fingers the other way around!).

Craig continued:

"Seeing we're all guitar players here it would be cool to see how this theory holds up."

Because the theory works in my "favor", as it were, My vote goes to the "all-thumbs theory" as holding up nicely! :-)

On to the lefty/righty thing...

For the record, I'm a "righty", playing with a conventional configuration.

Except for the fairly rare historical reference to someone deciding that they required a different instrument/string configuration (considering all stringed instruments, not just guitars), it really seems a relatively recent concept of dubious physical/mental pedigree.

Why is there no need for a "lefty" keyboard instrument? Perhaps the answer to that one offers us something to ponder when considering the lefty/righty issue of other instruments...

With a keyboard, each hand is expected to perform similar technical feats with equal dexterity. I don't know anyone who has re-strung (re-designed) a keyboard instrument so that the bass is to starboard, and the treble to port...just because someone signs their name with their left hand.

I grew up surrounded by other string players...all of us, regardless of lefty/righty status, played our instruments in the "conventional" manner (left hand deals with fingerboard, and right hand bows and plucks). The issue of left or right handedness *never* came up, because it had nothing to do with which hand might be more dexterous in some areas...because both hands were required to develop technical mastery and sensitivity in their respective duties. The left/right hand requirements for any stringed instrument may be more dissimilar than for the hands on a keyboard, but one is not more challenging or "important" than the other.

In an orchestral setting, the occasional "lefty" player would really disrupt section-wide bowing conformity, with unhappy collisions becoming a greater threat (as well as being visibly distracting).

Finally, with the bass bar/sound post arrangement in the violin family of instruments, if the strings were to be reversed, so would the interior configuration of the instrument need to be changed. The bass bar runs, interior, the length of the instrument top, along the line where the "bass" side bridge foot resides...distributing vibrations along the top, and the sound post...from the bridge foot on the "treble" side transfering vibration to the back of the instrument).

No violinmaker I know of has made instruments with a "lefty" configuration (perhaps there have been some done for special order, but this has never been, and is not now, a "normal" thing to do).

I really do feel that this lefty/righty issue - all other things being equal - has very little basis in "reality" in terms of being able to train one or the other hand to be technically proficient in its assigned task.

The only situations where I feel a "reversed" instrument configuration really makes sense is either in the case of truly physical barriers (something like a missing finger on one hand might perhaps make it very reasonable to consider alternate instrument/string arrangements), or if someone just "likes to do it this way".

At the end of the day, regardless of unprovable - or even provable - theories, whatever a musician is most comfortable with is fine with me...because ultimately, it's always and only about the music! :-)

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What a great thread! I've been posting about this very issue for years now. I'm lefty playing righty also. I should say I do a few things lefty like hand writing and kicking field-goals and using a fork. I do plenty of things right handed though. Anyhow, using the pick has always been a struggle for me. I can finger pick fine and classical guitar is not a problem for me, but fast alternate picking or fast rhythms in general like pinball wizzard present a real challenge to me. If I pick up the guitar backwards I can pick SO much better with my left hand that it's just not funny. This is after years of hard work to bring my right hand up to speed. It just doesn't seem to want to or be capable of the same type of motion that my left hand and wrist can do. I've really studied it under a microscope and there is a big difference in the way my right hand performs a pick stroke. If I try to mimic what my left hand is doing I just can't seem to get it. I've made a lot of progress though. I can play 16ths up to about 120 on electric and maybe 104 on acoustic.

Steve Morse is a lefty playing righty by the way. He has incredible picking chops so perhaps not all lefty's that are affected equally. He also holds his pick in a pretty non-standard way using his thumb, first and middle finger to hold the pick.

If I didn't have 25 years of playing under my belt I'd think about switching but trying to fret with my right hand seems infinitely harder than trying to pick.

If someone had a proven method for helping people with weak picking hands improve they could make a lot of money. One of these days maybe I'll stumble onto something really useful. Until then I keep searching and enjoying the instrument despite this small handicap.

Steve

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I am a left handed double bass player(who plays left handed) who is attending the university of Southern Mississippi. I have taught myself mainly in the style of blues, and a little bit of bluegrass. However, I now wish to be classically trained. I had never thought of the problems of my playing left handed in an orchestra. Though the thought has crossed my mind, and I merely though I could be seated at the end of the row, and it would be no big deal. After meeting with my bass instructor for the first time I relized it was a big deal. He recommends I learn to play right handed, however I feel that this could not only hinder my playing, but also cause me to loose interest in being classically trained. I have never been discriminated against before, and I don't like it. I understand that the sight of my playing backwards could seem displeasing to some people. However being from the south I have seen the dangers of discrimination first hand. Ignorant white people used to be unnerved by the sight of a black man in a white restaurant, but many brave African Americans faught and overcame this. It is now the left handed populations turn to over come discrimination.

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posted 08-27-2004 09:38     Click Here to See the Profile for lakeplacidblue   Click Here to Email lakeplacidblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My psychology professor got everyone to do this yesterday saying those with the left thumb on top are more musically inclined.

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CRAIG .........
phewwwww - my left thumb came out on top too ...........
I knew I was musical I just knew it !!!

I eat left hand - but do everything else right handed
always wondered why I did that !!!

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posted 08-27-2004 10:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirk   Click Here to Email Kirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good topic Brozman. Great opinions. Quite interesting reading. Some great opinions here. Opinions on other stuff too. I'm a righty and have enough trouble just playing guitar to an skill level I'm happy with.

I was recently think about finding a lefty strat and converting it to see if Hendrix was onto something.

It can get to complex with themedical opinions of why this is...... blah .......... blah..... books on why people are lefty or righty. Your brain is blah ...blah....

It is always best to simplify things and just play.

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If I understands Bob's 3 category definitions correctly, I am a category 2 player. I use lefthanded guitars strung righthanded. I have always played all instruments left handed. The exception was trumpet & baritone. To me, as a Cat 2 player, I believe there are some distinct advantages & disadvantages to the other 2 categories and the whole right handed world for that matter.

First of all, it's fun being lefthanded. Especially around righthanded players! They think for some reason that what I do on the fretboard more difficult to achieve because the strings are strung backwards. I used to buy into that myth years ago, because it validated and supported my low self esteem as a player at the time. Most right handed players trying to read my chord hand would admit they had great difficulty following unrecognizeble chord shapes... that was amusing to me. I would offer dramamine, but to now avail.

As a drummer early on, my left hand was (for the lack of a better term) my lead off or dominating hand. As a result, I have always been focused on lefthand technique as a drummer, bassplayer & guitarplayer. With that being said, my approach to the guitar has been heavy on rhythm.

Albert King, the reveared catagory 2 player, exploited the upside down and backward thing to the fullest degree. Playing his deep bending licks are easy & effortless for me. It was hardly an accomplishment to grab a B string or high E string or both with 3 or 4 fingers and wank it down across the fretboard. Unlike the righthanded player who has to push a high string, I will always have the honor of pulling a string. A righthander that can soulfully pull off Albert's licks skillfully will always get my respect.

Also too, having the small strings at the top gives you a slightly different strumming signature too. My downstroke sounds like your upstroke... not better just different. A distinct disadvantage being strung upside down is the fact I can't use a thumbpick to drive the A & low E string (standard tuning referenced) on them delta and Piedmont style tunes. Got to do it a la Miss Cotten. Also, if I'm not careful, I can slide on more strings than I intended because I have to cross a fretboard full of strings to get to the last one. Sooooo.... it makes you play differently.... but that's a good thing.

"just because I ain't playin' it right... don't mean I ain't playin' it wrong!"

Cole
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Lefty playing righty here. When I started playing, at age 9, I flipped the guitar over so I would fret notes with my right hand. A beginner's chord book that my parents got for my 9th birthday, along with my first guitar, stated that it should be the other way around.

Although it did seem a little wierd to me at the time, I immediatly changed my positioning of the instrument to "normal" righty style, and has been playing that way ever since. I have no idea whether or not this is good or bad, but as a total beginner, it didn't matter much to me at the time. Lefty or righty? i consider myself 50/50.

Oh, yes, and that first guitar was a German-made Oscar Teller student model, nylon strings.
I still play it when I visit my mother's house.

For my birthday, I had wanted a toy red plastic Stratocaster copy that a large toystore had displayed in their catalogue. It was sold out - imagine my disappointment. I mean, no whammy bar,no buttons? Actually, the Teller was a really good guitar.

David.

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I'm also a lefty who plays "right" - for me it was a decision that was purely practical - I wanted to be able to play any guitar in the shop. In the classical program I was in, about 1/4 of the students were lefties and played right - which is pretty amazing considering only 1 person in 10 is left handed. As a teacher, I encourage all of my left handed students to play conventionally just to save them a lot of grief later on and I've taught dozens of lefties this way with no problems. As far as discrimination goes - its a right handed world and this seems to be one instance where, for the vast majority of people, it doesn't really matter how you start so why not make your musical life a little easier.

Dan (the Delphi man)

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I tried to play right handed but it felt clumsy and unatural. I couldn't do it. Like you, I wanted to pickup any guitar in a shop and play it. Still can, but upside down. The only guitar that is a bit challenging for me to pick up and play is a lefty strung lefty. Nobody can play those except lefties that play what I call "real lefthanded guitars".

You want to really stretch ot some brain cells? ... pick up one of them babies and play one for 10 minutes. You'll be ready for margarita!

Cole
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Hi there, Donmo Guitars in South Australia make all of their instruments in lefty at NO EXTRA CHARGE! Yes, they do make tricones... www.donmo.com. I'm thinking about one myself - I currently play a 1930 Style "O" that has been converted to lefty. For anyone interested, I am a lefty that plays lefty, writes lefty, surfs and snowboards goofy footed and when doing the "folding hands" thing described above...the right thumb is always on top. Cheers all! David H

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This is an excelent topic!

1. I am right-handed. Also my left thumb is on top, as per the test. So there.

2. I'd like to say that there are two aspects of this topic that haven't been discussed yet.

3. The first one is the chronological progression of development of guitar-playing skills.

When I started (age 12, a long time ago - I think I still walked around on tiptoes, because the earth hadn't cooled down yet!), I had to leard a bunch of chords to begin with. Now, I contend that learning chords was more of a visual phenomenon; in fact, some people call chords "positions" in Spanish. In other words, we worked at learning the shape of the chords. I don't remember if what the strumming hand did was considered relevant - in fact, you could just run your right thumb down the strings at regular intervals.

A few years later, I remember how impressed I was with the finger picking style of the so-called folk music players - particularly Paul Simon. At that point, I realized that I could get by if I just perfected a few chords, but I really had to develop my right-hand skills.

Now I agree that guitar-playing is a two-hand deal. There are songs where your left hand is more critical; in others, it may be the right hand. Sometimes they have to do independent things with each hand at the same time; sometimes you can only produce a particular effect if the two hands work together, in sinchronicity.

4. The second aspect is the particular demands of various genres. I have said before that my personal stomping ground is Latin American folk music, and in this field, the right hand is very critical. This will be evident for those of you who may have listened to a Venezuelan cuatro player, to an Argentinian chacarera or to one of those masters of the andean charango music. In many of those instances, the left hand demands are kind of minimal, but the right hand skills can be very demanding.

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I'm 'right handed' but left thumb on top always, and the left foot leads.
I was entertaining the thought that we might have evolved this way for some kind of survival need. The most comfortable or at least the standard position for self defense (with right handed) is left foot, left arm, left body to the front. This puts the weaker part of the body in front and the stronger in back which at first might not make sense, however I figure that this is more of a question of balance. I am also considering that this has to do with the earth's magnetic fields. I am also wondering if there is a demographic difference in the proportion of right handed to left handed depending upon location.

It is an interesting phenomenon that ultimately probably has a very simple answer.


Hmmm... Do lefty vs righty people tend to orient themselves differently to magnetic fields?


Well the final answer for me at 4:59 a.m. and several days late is that it doesn't make a difference. There is only a percieved difference due to 'the system' of western capitalism- they don't really care about making anything 'left handed' only about marketing and selling the most products for the most profit and cost cutting requires that they cut out left handed people, thus, they choose to make and market right handed stuff.

Is there such a relationship in nature: right handed and left handed monkeys for example? Are there left handed and right handed bananas or are they neutral?

If it is only a matter of balance in nature then the capitalist system is what creates the imbalance and brings our attention to it. I think it is the system, and therein lies the root of the problem. Did someone mention the Devil?

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