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resin8er Member ![]() Posts: 1051 From: Fair Lawn, NJ, U.S.A. Registered: Feb 2002 |
I have a "mudslide" also and although I like the fit, tone, weight, etc. Its a tad long for my liking. I might try chopping off a little bit. Since it appears to be made from some type of fired ceramic I guess some type of diamond wet-saw will do the trick. IP: Logged |
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Mike D Member ![]() Posts: 1393 From: Phx, Az Registered: Dec 2000 |
If you cut it open you'll lose the smooth surface of the face of the cut since it's essentially a piece of pottery. IP: Logged |
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trailertrash Member Posts: 4 From: southern california Registered: Dec 2002 |
well, years ago when i piped heating boilers and chillers and makeup water for the systems- i always bought straight hollow glass 3/4 - 1 inch tube(i think) and always cut it to the length i wanted. I used a good triangular file and filed a small line in the glass tube, just enough to start cutting a groove and then stuck it to my tongue and pushed at both ends- and it would make a straight break as if i had cut it with a saw.made a straight break at least 95 percent of the time IP: Logged |
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cmdrpiffle Member Posts: 269 From: santa cruz Kalifornia Registered: Dec 2002 |
Scott G Hey, reference your 'granite pipe'...Okay, I give, what is that? Sounds interesting. IP: Logged |
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Tom Austin Member Posts: 3404 From: Occidental, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
I like the sound of the mudslide, but those ceramic slides are way too fat for me. I feel like I'm playing with a steam roller. IP: Logged |
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fourfingers unregistered |
I use the file too. Just score the neck. Then I hit the fat part of the bottle against a hard object, specifically a stone wall in my yard. The bottle breaks, often right at the score mark. Sometimes there is a jagged edge but it doesn't interfere with playing. IP: Logged |
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Orgodude unregistered |
I thought that I share my slide making experiences. I read through just about everything that I could find on the topic of bottle cutting. I haven't tried the special cutting blades or saws. The only procedure that consistently gave me relatively clean breaks was the following. Safety glasses and leather gloves are probably not a bad idea though I've never had any bad experiences with the procedure below. 1. Draw a line around the bottle neck with a magic marker. 2. Score around the line (only once) with the edge of a triangular file . Using a triangular file allows you to press down firmly with your thumb directly over the scoring edge of the file thus creating a score of more consistent depth. It is important to score only once and try to make a score line of consistent depth otherwise the bottle breaks unevenly. I practised on beer bottles first to get the feel of the procedure and then moved to thicker glass. 3. Heat the score in a candle flame while rotating the bottle. Soot is deposited where the flame touches the bottle so you know you are hitting the score line evenly. 4. While hot, rotate the hot score under some cold running water. Usually, it breaks cleanly. Most times, you can essentially pull the neck off the bottle. No tapping, smashing, etc. to potentially send glass shards flying around the room. [Glass shards on the kitchen counter/floor makes my wife angrier than practising the same song for hours on end while enjoying the tone of my newly cut slide.] 5. If neck doesn't break the first time, then dry the bottle, reheat the score and cool it again. The thicker glass usually required two heating/cooling operations. 6. Then file and sand smooth. IP: Logged |
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Rick Brodsky Member Posts: 174 From: connecticut Registered: Feb 2000 |
wow, that sounds like an efficient procedure. i have had some bad breaks lately resulting in the loss of some good bottlenecks. what's a triangular file? IP: Logged |
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Tom Austin Member Posts: 3404 From: Occidental, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 |
a triangular file is a metal rod with rough file-type surface and a triangular cross section, usually about 3/16" on a side. Not to be confused with the similarly named "round file." IP: Logged |
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Orgodude unregistered |
Files come in a variety shapes and sizes (round, flat, triangular, needle, etc). The triangular file that I am referring to essentially describes the shape you would see if you looked at a cross section (cut it in half and sighted down the end). I should add that you should use one of reasonable size since I broke a smaller one recently. The reason that I chose this type of file is two fold. One for leverage and two because my instructor in a laboratory glass blowing short course demonstrated that this type of file was very efficient for scoring and breaking glass tubing. For tubing, one just needs to make a score about one third of the way around the tube to break it cleanly. Interestingly, if you score a glass tube all the way around the tube it doesn't break cleanly perhaps due to uneven stresses introduced into the relatively thin walled glass. I really wish that I still had access to a oxy/acetylene cutting flame to fire polish (melt) the ends of the slide after cutting. I am gaining more confidence in my technique and am about ready to try the old Mateus wine bottles that I bought off of Ebay. IP: Logged |
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Justin unregistered |
I was wondering if some of you can e-mail me with bottle cutting links - ambient_trash@Hotmail.com I just bought a bottle cutter and am looking for some projects. IP: Logged |
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travis unregistered |
I have been playing slide guitar for 15 years live and seen some interesting things. My favorite next to using a glass medicine bottle. Is to cut the neck off a beer bottle it is so much easier to work than a wine bottle. When the urge hits to play a dobro lap style I go straight for a 1/2in. craftsman socket what a great sound without having to bore the sucker out and no wear and tear on my pinky finger. Next time some idiot after a show starts talking **** about slides put a 1/2in. craftsman socket in their hands and they'll usually shut up if not play a little slide guitar for them with a zippo or a pocket knife. I use to have a bass player that could play some amazing **** by using his wifes viberator on an electric bass what a sound,and his wife was pretty pissed when he ran the batteries out. IP: Logged |
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travis unregistered |
I have been playing slide guitar for 15 years live and seen some interesting things. My favorite next to using a glass medicine bottle. Is to cut the neck off a beer bottle it is so much easier to work than a wine bottle. When the urge hits to play a dobro lap style I go straight for a 1/2in. craftsman socket what a great sound without having to bore the sucker out and no wear and tear on my pinky finger. Next time some idiot after a show starts talking **** about slides put a 1/2in. craftsman socket in their hands and they'll usually shut up if not play a little slide guitar for them with a zippo or a pocket knife. I use to have a bass player that could play some amazing **** by using his wifes viberator on an electric bass what a sound,and his wife was pretty pissed when he ran the batteries out. IP: Logged |
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resin8er Member ![]() Posts: 1051 From: Fair Lawn, NJ, U.S.A. Registered: Feb 2002 |
Some of those store bought slides with the closed/domed end look like a woman's vibrator. They don't need batteries though. IP: Logged |
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Ian McWee Member Posts: 498 From: Worcestershire, England Registered: Dec 2003 |
Hi All, After many years of refining the ancient art of bottleneck making (and it now being a thriving business for us!), all the above methods listed work for each individual who chooses to make their very own, personal bottleneck. We found that a lot of the problems relating to the straight separation of neck from bottle occured at the main score-line, opposite to the point of contact with whatever you use to break the neck off. We found that if you rest the score line directly on top of a sharp edged, right-angled piece of metal, with the score line parrallel to the top of the angle and resting into the groove, much of the stress factor on the line was relieved.....and if i knew how to draw a diagram on here - i'd gladly show you! Hope that all helps, if not - feel free to contact me off our web-site at http://www.diamondbottlenecks.com Happy Slidin' Diamond IP: Logged |
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David Kampmann Member Posts: 1230 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Registered: Jun 2003 |
Hello Ian - Just to let you know that I think Diamond bottlenecks are the best sounding ones I've ever used. My old one got smashed when it fell against a metal mike stand, and I had to get in touch with the boys at tone-toys.de very, very fast for a new one. I was desperate, having to resort to an old Dunlop pyrex. I got two Diamond bottlenecks this time, one for backup just in case - I think that kind of shows how much I've come to depend on my green glass Diamnond for nice tones. Thank you for a great bottleneck solution for those of us that don't cut our own - David. [This message has been edited by David Kampmann (edited December 02, 2003).] IP: Logged |
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Eldergreene unregistered |
Well, a socket was good enough for Lowell George...Seems to me that tone is a big part of this-in my experience more mass= more bass, & also affects vibrato technique; whatever, it's a lovely mental image of masses of slideophiles risking serious injury in their workshops/kitchens to such a bizarre end! IP: Logged |
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sniff unregistered |
To my surprise, I was able, in about 15 - 20 minutes to neatly cut a neck off with the toothed edge of the file on a victorinox (swiss army) penknife. Then a couple of more minutes to smooth the edges off. IP: Logged |
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Ian McWee Member Posts: 498 From: Worcestershire, England Registered: Dec 2003 |
Hi David, Many thanks for those lovely words about our bottlenecks - i spoke to Peter at Tone-Toy's a couple of weeks ago, and he gave me your regards personally!! Thanks again, and Happy Slidin' Ian. IP: Logged |
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Spudmurphy unregistered |
Who'd have thought that this would continue over 3 years. An interesting topic. The "saw tecnique" seems to be an good solution to this. I've been a keen amateur stained glass hobbyist for a couple of years and this morning,I had "a go" on two bottles that I kept over from Xmas. ( yes there were many worrying glances across the table as I inserted my little finger into each bottle of wine consumed!!) I used my trusty glass cutter, whose cutting wheel is suppied with cutting oil - a mixture of 3 in 1 oil and turps. if you dont have such a beast just dip your cutter in white spirit. I found it impossible to run a continuous cut all around the neck, but used a series of small say one inch scores. - on no account double up over a score, do it once only. Best use a piece of masking tape with a mark showing your start/finishing point. Once the perimeter is scored you have to tap around the score with the other end of the cutter. Keep tapping all around and a crack will appear - keep tapping and chasing the crack around and off it comes. I did 2 bottles in minutes - even took the annoying lip off the cork end (about 1/4 of an inch) using the same technique. Having mentioned that I'm a stained glass hobbyist, I have a glass grinder - they cost a lot here in the UK but when I was over in St Louis they were a fraction of the price we pay. Now move over Mr Landreth and let me show you how I play "Native Stepson " - LOL !! IP: Logged |
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eskimo unregistered |
On cutting bottlenecks: I knew this would work I just never tried it and kept forgetting to try it because I like my Mud Slide and my hunk of brass. The answer was staring me in the face. Literally. Everyday. A tile wet saw. I've got one because I am a tile and stone contractor so I thought before I give this sage advice I'll go out to the garage and try a couple. Worked 6 out of 7 times clean as a whistle. The one that failed was a thin beer bottle neck that you wouldn't use for slide anyway but the three thickest ones were the easiest and cleanest. Now some of you are probably saying that that's all well and good but you don't have a wet saw. Well every Home Depot does. It's at the end of the tile aisle and it's for weekend warriors to get their more complex cuts done. The one near me lets all the homeowner Joe's make their own cuts so that situation would be easy but if the one near you has the staff do it just slip 'em a 5 spot and off you go. Or have your wife ask 'em that always works. Either way you might have to buy $3 worth of tile put some marks on 'em and pretend you need some cuts done and slip the bottle in at the end. This will work. Home Depot people do not care about things like this. Water jets and a fast spinning diamond wheel. It's a beautiful thing. IP: Logged |
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pod unregistered |
Got into slide guitar last year, I have access to a lathe at work, so Ive made a few in stinless steel . The ideal inside diameter for myself was 17.5 mm (pinky slide) , done with a carbide tip boring tool. Its nice to try a few different lengths, the s/s steel is a bitch to machine thoug. Anyone no any gangsters to get the sawn off end from a shotgun, that would be too cool. To finish the outside I stuck the lathe on max rpms and shined it up with fine scotch brite. A friend makes his with sawn off legs from steel chairs. An 10 mm spark plug socket is pretty good but needs some cutting on the end. I did see and try a friends chunky brass off the shelf slide ( thicker taper at on end), it seemed too heavy for me. Right now Im going to try for a glass bottle neck, thanks for all the tips above. Cheers Pod IP: Logged |
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waxwing Member Posts: 1431 From: Oakland, CA Registered: Oct 2001 |
I had a friend in the metal shop where I used to work make me a brass slide on the lathe. First he bored a hole that only the first knuckle of my pinkie would fit into. Then he bored a slight taper to the opening reaching about halfway through what would be the finished length. Then I put my finger in to test it. We kept increasing the taper by a few thou' until it was a perfect fit. Trued up the outside, polished it up and parted it off, cleaning up the parting on a disc and buffing wheel. Sweet, but it's really hard to put your finger into a little hole attached to a machine that was just spinning at 1,000 RPM or whatever. I had to make sure noone was within 10 feet of the on-off switch. But having a fit that just stays put with no effort is very relaxing. All for now. John C. IP: Logged |
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edroper Member Posts: 20 From: Seneca Falls, NY Registered: Oct 2002 |
I just cut my first bottle neck using the carbide rod saw, belt sander, sand paper method. I double cut it and it turned out great. The bottle is from Goose Watch "Finale" white port made by Swedish Hill Vinyards here in the Finger Lakes. The neck is almost perfectly straight, thick glass, fits my pinky perfectly, and is a real nice green/brown color. Oh yeah, I like the tone a whole lot better than the brass slide I've been using. IP: Logged |
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clarkythe1st unregistered |
Thought I'd get busy in the workshop and rustle myself up a few new slides beofre I wasted all those good bottles at the recycling centre. Found a great Virgin Olive Oil bottle with a 4.5inch straight section. Taped it and cut it with a carbide tipped saw in a matter of minutes and then spent a good 15 to 20 minutes with a variety of sanders to get it just perfect. I had a little skip in my step as I headed back to my guitar. A little too much skip. Caught my foot on a cable and smash. Oh well, there's plenty more bottles where that one came from. IP: Logged |
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holikujak Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: Mar 2005 |
get a dremel for it. it will be last tool you will ever buy you could single handedly build a house with a dremel check them out here they had add ons for anything saw router you name it and a dremel can do it IP: Logged |
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Finn Bjerke Member ![]() Posts: 2614 From: www.finnbjerke.dk Registered: Apr 2000 |
I have meditating pascifist budhist freinds so I HAVE to do the agressive thang: I use a Grinder indeed a wonderfull AND VERY NOISY tool ! Its not very good for chasing women but its Very very masculine ! After the noise and rain of glass all over the place I have a lot of sanding to do. I like machines so i use another machine: I only cut the wine bottle one place but I like the smoothnes of the slides Ian makes. The edges are so clean and smooth how do you do it ? IP: Logged |
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Easy Rider Member Posts: 233 From: Astoria NY Registered: Aug 2000 |
To cut a glass bottle, you soak a string in kerosene, tie it around the bottle, at the place where you want to cut it, and light it with a match. The glass will crack along the string line. Then you just have to polish the cut edge. IP: Logged |
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Stevie Member Posts: 70 From: Tampa, Fla, USA Registered: Feb 2005 |
Okay here's one or two for the Fact, Myth or Legend column on cutting round glass surfaces. (My GranDad spent time as a glass cutter in the '30s so these first two are from that era) Burning Thead method: Kerosene and real Wool yarn (it HAS to be 100% sheep's wool) I'm guessing bottle orientation affects this method so it may take a few more "dead soldiers" to perfect it. The previous posts that indicated single scoring was key falls in line with his missives as well, "Score once, score right or throw it away and start again" (Last thing) Personally, I'm gonna use the tile wet-saw (Thanks boys!! I had been wondering if it would work) IP: Logged |
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Ian McWee Member Posts: 498 From: Worcestershire, England Registered: Dec 2003 |
Hey Stevie - that peice of gear was the sort of thing i started making bottlenecks with 20 - odd years ago...but over here in the U.K. it was called a 'Bottle Chopper'!!! Finn; i have Dave Kampmann's bottleneck you made for him over here in the glass shop for fine polishing (you did a nice job, bro :>)!), when you chop up your next bunch of bottles - go for 240 grit down to 1200 grit emery cloth on the cut edge (with bucketloads of water!), and fine-polish the sanded area's with some sort of automobile paint finishing 'rubbing compound' - i used a product called 'Farecla' back in the old days and it worked perfectly (..hurts your fingerjoints after a few hours though ;>(..). Good Luck!! Slide On! Ian. IP: Logged |
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Rach New Member Posts: 1 From: england Registered: Apr 2005 |
Hey, I have been bottle cutting for a few months now after being bought a bottle cutter(which looks like a meccano set!) My back yard is full of bottle bits and the bin men think i am an alcoholic! Anyhow,I have just about got the hang of cutting the bottles, but am having problems filing and shaping them, my other half is a guitarist so i would really like to have a go at making a slide or two,i got into bottle cutting as i am into glass painting, i usually am only interested in the lower half of the bottle but have been inspired by Ian and the crew at diamond bottlenecks! Any help or advice for a beginner would be most appreciated! Thanx IP: Logged |
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Ian McWee Member Posts: 498 From: Worcestershire, England Registered: Dec 2003 |
Hi Rach, i'd be most happy to help you with any tips 'n stuff on finishing & final polishing of bottlenecks, and if you live near our glass-shop (Amblecote, nr. Stourbridge, West Midlands), come over and you can final-finish your own bottlenecks yourself with our equipment....i'm also intruiged with your profile description of 'play specialist' - would that be in the children's pre-school nursery area?...that's MY 'other' career! E-mail me on ian.mcwee@virgin.net and we'll talk more ;>) Slide On! Ian. IP: Logged |
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omniphobe New Member Posts: 1 From: Minneapolis, MN USA Registered: Jan 2006 |
I recall reading an article in Guitar Player about cutting a slide from a wine bottle by filling it with hot cooking oil to the desired cut point. I no longer have that issue, but it might be May 1977. I don't remember all of the particulars. Is anyone familiar with that method? I have several slides: glass, brass, steel, stone, and ceramic, but my favorite is one that I made out of an old kitchen faucet nearly 40 years ago. The end is slightly rounded, which helps it move smoothly across the strings, and the chrome plating sounds awesome. Sort of like an 11/16" socket, without the cumbersome weight. IP: Logged |
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guitarnowski Member ![]() Posts: 368 From: Where the folds of the Illinois map cross Registered: May 2005 |
A friend of mine was using a Dremel rotary tool the other day just to score a line so he could do the string soaked in lighter fluid trick with it. Turned out the Dremel took it right off. A little buffing of the edge, and it's one fine slide (I have!) now.... IP: Logged |
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Ian McWee Member Posts: 498 From: Worcestershire, England Registered: Dec 2003 |
The Dremel tool is an excellent way of making your own wine bottlenecks - my buddies on e-bay who sell genuine bottlenecks 'on-line' use Dremel's in conjunction with the extra sanding/polishing attachment kit avaliable, and the finished article are indeed fine pieces ![]() Slide On! Ian. IP: Logged |
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Ian McWee Member Posts: 498 From: Worcestershire, England Registered: Dec 2003 |
Hey omniphobe - i have a magazine article here entitled 'Do-it-yourself Bottleneck Slide' from the January 1989 'Frets' magazine by a young Mr. Bob Brozman! It's an excellent article & i wonder if the back issue is atill available (mine's a bit 'dog-eared' now )Slide On! Ian. IP: Logged |
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tejastani Member Posts: 59 From: San Antonio TX USA Registered: Jan 2006 |
Mr. Brozman-- I bought "Devil's Slide" on LP from you at your great show at the sadly defunct Leon Springs Cafe outside San Antonio, TX donkeys years ago. I remember you had recently hurt your wrist but put on a fabulous show. I admired your Mateus bottle neck and always chuckle when I remember your advice to keep one's slide in the front pants pocket to impress the ladies while dancing the Foxtrot. IP: Logged |
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wwpete52 Member Posts: 687 From: Winlock, Wa, USA Registered: Aug 2004 |
How do you make a slide from a wine bottle? Go to your local craft store and buy a bottle cutter! IP: Logged |
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straycat Member Posts: 92 From: Registered: Nov 2005 |
well...I know this is about cutting glass but...I never had any luck, ended up with stitches once... so I always used an 11/16 Craftsman deep socket...3/8 drive is best because they are a bit smaller. i still use it sometimes but have managed to find ONE real heavy glass slide that I never let out of my sight!!!! i have a problem finding the correct weight when trying glass...i got used to playing with a heavy slide on my little finger and when I try most glass slides they dont seem to glide on their own...also I like the tremelo I can get from heavy steel...but then again...nothing sounds better than someone that has it together with a really heavy glass slide... Also...when you go into a shop and pull a guitar of the wall and sit down to try it on...the salesmen will come flying when they see you pull a deep socket out of your pocket...really terrifies them for some reason...probably think you are going to disassemble the thing or perhaps change oil... S-Cat IP: Logged |
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Ian McWee Member Posts: 498 From: Worcestershire, England Registered: Dec 2003 |
There's glass.....and then there's REAL glass ! Many postings have been made on both this & other forums on the merits of differing glass products to use on guitar strings - and it's also sparked off as many different opinions as there are slides ! We're now greatly honored to have Mike Dowling on board as a Diamond Bottlenecks endorsee, and he uses double-cut 'Mateus Rose' bottlenecks (made from the current bottles) - the glass quality and tone from these beauties is second to none in comparison with all other bottles we've tried, so if you're looking to make up your own bottleneck and are after a really great, heavy glass wine-bottle slide - grab your cutting gear & chop a few up....you'll never reach for the Pyrex again! Slide On! Ian. ww.diamondbottlenecks.com IP: Logged |
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