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Corn Dog
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posted 04-03-2002 05:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm stumped on two songs:

Glen Campbell's cover of "Wichita Lineman"

Josh White's cover of "Miss Otis Regrets"

Anyone figured these out? Or have a suggestion for a published source that is accurate.

The verse chord progression on "Whichita Lineman" is phenomenal but I can't seem to nail the correct grips. The stuff I've found on the web is very wrong. I saw Glen playing it last night on a CMT special about him. He played it in the 2nd to 6th fret area.

Thanks!

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Corn Dog
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posted 04-19-2002 21:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kismet on this one. I have been totally stumped on the Glen Campbell tune. I even sent an email to his current guitar player begging him to reveal the secret chords. No response.

A couple of days go by and then suddenly there is a video in my mailbox. It turns out one of my guitar buddies saw Glen doing the tune solo on Larry King. He noted that the show was repeating at 3AM, set his VCR timer, and now I have the tape. Eureka!Great footage of his hands during the critical chord sequences!

I have about 80% figured out at this point and it now sounds correct with melancholy oozing out of the guitar. The OLGA harmony is actually correct. It's purely a chord voicing issue. Once I have it I may try to post it at OLGA.

Doesn't anybody here do any Josh White tunes/arrangements?

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dmills
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posted 04-19-2002 23:09     Click Here to See the Profile for dmills   Click Here to Email dmills     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's great that you're making progress but.... when do we get an audio sample?
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Corn Dog
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posted 03-10-2003 06:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Dan, here's the sample. My neighbor (who gave me the tape earlier) came over on Sunday and we played around with it a bit. He's poking around with the melody on his guitar but I think I have the progression down, as Glen plays it.

www.randsullivan.com/corndogmusic/030803WichitaLineman-b.mp3

This is just a beautiful song! Thanks Jimmy Webb.

Now I've got to get crackin' on Josh White's arangement of "Miss Otis Regrets". Any help on Josh White arrangements would be apreciated. Scott, don't you play any of his stuff?

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mondo
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Any chance you can post the progression or tab when you have the chance? Great song. Once saw Freedy Johnston cover it at Maxwells and was phenonomenal.

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I wish I could help you, Dog. Lord knows we all have learned a great deal from your postings.

There are two transcriptions of Josh White tunes in the book, "Mel Bay Presents Legends Of Country Blues Guitar" by Stefan Grossman. This comes with a CD that has copies of the original 78s and typical Grossman tab for "Little Brother Blues" in standard tuning a half step down and "Jesus Gonna Make Up My Dying Bed" in Open D a whole step down. This 2nd tune rocks! I've tried working it up before but again the term "idiosyncratic" seems to apply. I tend to lose the groove in trying to follow Stefan's transcription although I love singing along with this one. I have the day off so I may work on this one a bit especially since I play very little in Open D.

Consider checking Homespun as there is a video on Josh White guitar stylings by none other than Josh White, Jr. I can't comment on it as I haven't seen it.

For biographical info check out Elijah Wald's outstanding book, "Josh White: Society Blues." I haven't explored his music very much but I think the bulk of his stuff was in open D tuning sometimes tuned up or down.

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The Josh White Jr. video is exceptional. More difficult than they make it out to be if you get to sing and play. Just playing is of intermediate level but together for performing...The timing and patterns are quite unique. I found it a great learning tool. And to hear Josh White makes it worth the price.

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posted 03-11-2003 07:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info guys! I have the Wald book (an Xmas gift) but I haven't read it yet. I'll skim for some playing info on this tune.

I have Josh White Jr.'s "In Tribute To Josh White - House of the Rising Son". I'm not too crazy about it so I'm less inclined to go for the video. My lack of enthusiasm is not from a comparison to his father's work. It just doesn't do anything for me. Maybe I'll give it another listen. Is there another of his CDs you can recommend Doc?

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I am afraid I just have the video.

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Corn Dog
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posted 03-11-2003 15:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mondo:

As requested, here is what I've come up with. The tough grips to nail were the F/A and the Asus4. If anyone has further refinements, let me know.

www.randsullivan.com/corndogmusic/WichitaLineman2.pdf

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From http://www.bettelyrics.com/lyrics/mor.htm

Oh, hi! A-heh heh! Is Miss Otis in?"
"Miss Otis regrets she's unable to lunch today."

Miss Otis regrets she's unable to lunch today, madam.
Miss Otis regrets she's unable to lunch today, mmmmmm.
And she's sorry to be delayed,
but last evening down at lover's lane
she strayed, madam.
Miss Otis regrets she's unable to lunch today.

When she woke up and found
that her dream of love was gone, madam,
she ran to the man
who had lead her so far astray.
And from under her velvet gown
she drew a gun and shot her lover down, madam.
Miss Otis regrets she's unable to lunch today.

When the mob came and got her
and dragged her from the jail, madam,
they strung her up
on the willow across the way.
And the moment before she died
she lifted up her lovely head and cried, madam.
Miss Otis regrets she's unable to lunch.
Miss Otis regrets she's unable to lunch today.

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http://www.history.und.ac.za/Sempapers/Feimster2001.pdf

things that make you go hmmm

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Corn Dog
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posted 03-12-2003 08:00     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again for the suggestion regarding the Wald book. I found some interesting things last night.

In particular, the commentary on Josh's cover of Cole Porter's "Miss Otis Regrets" describes how I'm drawn into the tune:

"Though this was exactly the sort of thing that bothered his purist folk fans, it was ideally suited to Josh's delivery. A blues ballad of murder and hanging told in the voice of a genteel sophisticate, it displayed both his sure musicianship and his wry, sexy humor. Other singers tend to sound overly arch or inappropriately bouncy when confronted with Porter's bizarre juxtaposition of events and tone, but for Josh it was a perfect fit; it was cafe blues, a style that he was inventing and of which he would be the sole successful practitioner."

That describes my response thoroughly. I think I need to pursue this "cafe blues" style a bit further. Can anyone think of other players of this style? Looks like this needs to be another thread.

The other intersting fact is that Josh White authored, with Ivor Mairants, the first blues guitar instruction book: "The Josh White Guitar Method" (Boosey & Hawkes, 1956).

It was the first study book for both Stefan Grossman and John Renbourn. Renbourn says it was the only good instruction book available and provided the basis for most of the players from his generation. Because the book not only had blues tunes but also included British ballads, Wald suggests that young English musicians in the 60s took White's idea of using blues techniques to play English traditional songs and expanded it to create a distinctly European fingerpicking style that overflowed into rock, pop, and jazz.

Wow! Is this overstated or have we stumbled on to one the signifant crossroads in the evolution of acoustic rock and pop music in the '60s?

Sadly, it seems that this book is no longer in print. I saw nothing in the current Boosey & Hawkes catalogue.

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frank gallinagh
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posted 03-12-2003 19:05     Click Here to See the Profile for frank gallinagh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Corndog...
Thanks for posting the changes to "Wichita Lineman". I think you got them right on. I'm listening to Glen Campbells version now and it's kinda hard to hear through all the strings.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know I've enjoyed learning the chords...there's some really cool sounding ones in there.
Best regards,
Frank

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posted 03-12-2003 19:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Frank,

I'm glad to hear that they're working for you. Yeah, the strings were tough to get through on the studio track but you can hear him. The Larry King segement helped a lot because he was doing it solo acoustic. And I could see his hands somewhat.

Hope to see you soon and play some music together!

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Hi Corndog,
Yes indeed I'd like to get to play together soon...maybe we can set up another location since Kurt is so busy. There are a few people in our area that I think would enjoy it.
By the way, I received my charango from Bob Brozman and it's very nice. The chord voicings are very unusual with those high pitched strings on the "bottom".
Well, anyway, hope to get together soon.
Frank

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Hi Guys!
I was reading about your search for music/tab for Whichita Lineman.... I have found a CD that has one of the finest versions of Whichita Lineman I have ever heard!!! It's by an artist named Johnny A and I'm sure you will find it exceptional.
Go to www.johnnya.com for more info...ENJOY!!!

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Corn Dog
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Another thread reminded me to share my thoughts about Josh White's Guitar Method mentioned above. I finally found a copy about two months ago. Nice piece of history and a good learning tool as well. I got mine, used but in good shape, for $30. It was the first one I'd come across since my earlier post about it.

It has revealed some of the unique qualities of Josh's playing and arrangement styles and provided some clues to how he approched Miss Otis Regrets. Lots of theory and fingerstyle chops building in the first half with some exercises for arrangement building, using the tunes You Don't Know My Mind and Turkey in the Straw.

The second half is complete detailed arrangements with standard and tab notation, chord grip diagrams, and some playing tips/commentrary for the following tunes: Molly Malone(trad), In The Evening (When The Sun Goes Down) (LeRoy Carr), Jerry The Mule (Timber)(trad), Lord Have Mercy(trad),On Top of Old Smokey (trad), and The Riddle Song (I Gave My Love A Cherry)(trad). After spending some time with the book's material and his early recordings his influence on the early British Folk/Blues guys (Renbourn, Jansch, Fischer...)is very clear. Combined with his BBC broadcasts and shows throughout the UK at the same time, he was a critical source of their developing sounds and hybrid styles.

I like the Document DOCD-5194, Vol 1 of Josh's recordings from 1929-1940 the best so far in my listening library. The Classic Blues label re-issue The Essential Josh White is very good too but has less up front solo guitar playing. It has lots of collaborations with piano players, LeRoy Carr being among them. Free and Equal Blues is less interesting to me since its very often heavily laden Hokem and Jolsen-like charicature, probably the result of his fusion of Broadway and Hollywood elements into his performances. I guess that's where his commercial success was to be found. However, this CD does have a cover of Miss Otis Regrets that I really like and have been learning from.


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I also like Johnny Cash version of this song on one of his last recordings.

Kay

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I realise this is a very old thread, but the pdf above was very helpful in pointing me in the right direction for some of these chords, as was this: http://www.gootar.com/folder/guitar.html, this: http://www.gootar.com/guitar/ and a copy of wavelab (to reverse the left channel, make the song mono and cancel out the center channel - to get rid of the vocals).

some of these might not be 100%, but they're a very very close approximation to the chords used on the Glenn Campbell recording.

* please forgive me - i couldn't find a way to make this bb display a fixed width font. you'll have to copy it into notepad for the proper formatting.

code:


Bbmaj13: x13233
Fmaj7: x33210
Dm7: x00211
Am7: x02010
Dsus4: x00233
C11: x33333
C11: x30311
(use either C11 depending on which you think sounds the nicest. i like the second one)
A7sus4: x02030
G(alt) x20033

intro:
Fmaj7, c11

Bbmaj13 Fmaj7 C11
I am a lineman for the county and I drive the main road

Dm7 Am7 G Dsus4 D
searchin' in the sun for another overload.

C G(alt)
I hear you singing in the wires, I can hear you in the whine

Bbmaj13 D A7sus4 Bb
And the Wichita Lineman is still on the line.

Cmaj Bb Cmaj

Bbmaj13 F C11
I know I need a small vacation, but it don't look like rain.

Dm7 Am7 G Dsus4 D
And if it snows that sounthern load won't ever stand the strain.

C G(alt)
And I need you more than want you, and I want you for all time.

Bbmaj13 D A7sus4 Bb
And the Wichita Lineman is still on the line.


Cmaj B Cmaj




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robin moss
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Hi there fans of the greatest song ever written,

After many listens I think I have finally nailed the chords for Wichita Lineman. Most of the tabs I have found on the net are correct except for the passage that begins "...I hear you singing int he wires...". The strings in this section obscure the chords but I think I have it so here goes.

Intro - Fmaj7, C11

Verse - Bbmaj7, Am7, C11, Dm7, Am7, G, D
(this is the passage) C, Bm7 (or just Bm), Bb, D, Asus4

Bridge - Bb, Cadd9

Verse - same as the first

Solo - over first half of the verse chords then singing recommences on last half

Outro - Bbmaj7, C

So there it is. If anyone thinks this is incorrect let me know otherwise happy strumming.

Robin Moss

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I want to thank you for the proper chording for Wichita Lineman. I'm just revisiting this tune with a new group and it will help out alot.

I will offer, on the "B part", the G/B played as a "small" F with the first finger on the B bass.
The Gm/Bb played as a generic Bb (2nd position barre), and the D (Lineman) played as a standard small chord "D" with your thumb grabbing the F# bass.

Again thank you for the effort on this ASTOUNDINGLY beautiful J. Webb composition.
Also, I'm newly registered to this site, and glad I found it thru google.

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DEZ
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