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Kurt
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posted 05-06-2002 09:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Kurt   Click Here to Email Kurt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought I'd start a parallel thread where we can talk about what to do with the song we're writing or make suggestions to tame this beast. I'll try to find time to edit what we have into a verse / chorus type of structure. Probably what we need first is a good chorus with a title.

Don't know when I'll have time so if anybody else wants to take a stab at it, please feel free.

We can use this thread for posting entire verses, choruses or bridges. We'll see what happens...

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Rick Brodsky
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posted 05-06-2002 09:43     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Brodsky   Click Here to Email Rick Brodsky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what key do you think it should be in? if we were to perform it at a gig do we credit all 50 authors? who is going to record it? what about royalties?

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Jeffrey Sipress
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posted 05-06-2002 10:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeffrey Sipress   Click Here to Email Jeffrey Sipress     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do I have to join ASCAP to recieve my huge royalties?

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Mike D
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posted 05-06-2002 10:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike D   Click Here to Email Mike D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I guess I should mention that I've already recorded and released it overseas. Ya'll owe me 2,000,000,000,000 yen in back royalties.

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Kurt
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posted 05-06-2002 11:08     Click Here to See the Profile for Kurt   Click Here to Email Kurt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It should definitely be played in the key of "J."

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Dennis Roger Reed
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posted 05-06-2002 11:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis Roger Reed   Click Here to Email Dennis Roger Reed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As anyone that has ever written a song before knows, we've done the easy and most fun part. Now re-writing, editing, and formatting is the WORK part of it. Too big a job for me to take on right now, but here's what I think we've got so far:

There was an old shoebox in my car, full of misery and a miniature crow bar

No shoes, no shoes, what shall we do, go on drinking like those little crows do

Let’s crow around and around again, crowing them old shoe shoebox blues.

You know a shoebox ain’t nothin’ but cardboard and glue

But a bar full of crows grows and grows.

There was an old lady who lived in New Orleans, she only drank Bourbon to suppress her dreams

Three bottles a day, kept the tremors away

But she looked pretty good when she was cleaning her den

She howled like a wolf, she smoked like a fiend

Her gaze was like fire putting on those low rise jeans

Let’s crow around and around again, crowing them old shoe shoebox blues.

There was an old woman who lived deep inside, she had so many children thank god her hips were wide

So I could swim to the other side

Lord, lord, lord, lord, somebody help me please, cause she let out a hiccup that brought me to my knees

But that hiccup was followed by a phlegmatic wheeze

Lord, lord, lord, lord, somebody help me breathe

The undertaker laughed at the little crow bar but only felt chaffed when he saw the car.

I try’n to tell you people rules are rules, and fools are fools and the sciatica blues is cruel

Put my shoes in your shoebox, Mama… and sooth my achin’ soles.

We don’t need socks for our smelly feet just a place in Morningside Heights

But life wouldn’t be complete without my old guitar and my guitar playin’ seat.

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Eddie Punch
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posted 05-06-2002 11:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Eddie Punch   Click Here to Email Eddie Punch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Dennis you beat me by seconds !

We have finished what brainstormers call the the "green phase". That's where every one can do and say what they want without critic.

Now we must boldly enter the "red phase" where it gets taken apart (analyse) and put togeather in a meaningfull way (synthesis). The best way would be to put all the lines on a pinboard, shove them around, then connect several possable threads with pins & um, threads.

We may even get two songs here.

Let's get on it !

Eddie

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Lovat Fraser
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posted 05-06-2002 11:54           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well,
I 'm getting a real speed metal mid 80's poodle-rock vibe off this now...David Coverdale screaming type thing...double drum kit ...!

Or maybe a Chuck Berry "Havana Moon" story.

Or if all else fails reggae in g...

Aiming to see Prof.Broz on thursday.Get it figured out and I pass it to him at the interval.

adios,
Lovat.

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Corn Dog
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posted 05-06-2002 20:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I'll be the straw person to get the "red phase" going. For this evening's musical project, here's some lyrical editing and structure, and a demo:


There was an old shoebox
Left in my car
Packed full of misery
And a miniature crow bar.
No shoes, no shoes
What shall I do?
Go on drinking
Like those little crows do.

[Chorus]
[You know a shoebox ain’t nothin’
But cardboard and glue.
But a bar full of crows
Grows in multiples of two.
Let’s crow around
And around again
Crowing them old
Shoebox blues.]

She only drank Bourbon
To suppress her dreams.
Three bottles a day
Kept the tremors away.
But she looked pretty good
And she howled like a wolf
Her gaze was like fire
As she took off those low rise jeans.

[Chorus]

Her hips made me swim
From side to side
And she let out a hiccup
That brought me to my knees.
After that hiccup
Came a phlegmatic wheeze.
And old woman!
Lord, somebody help me breathe.

[Chorus]

Put my shoes
In your shoebox
And sooth my achin’ soles.
The undertaker laughed
At the little crow bar
“We don’t need socks
For your smelly feet.”

[Chorus & Outro]


http://www.randsullivan.com/igsmusic/shoebox1.mp3


Take it easy on me, I'm clearly not a singer! I only included a vocal to connect the lyrics to the rhythm as I hear it.


[This message has been edited by Corn Dog (edited September 11, 2002).]

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Jeffrey Sipress
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posted 05-06-2002 21:30     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeffrey Sipress   Click Here to Email Jeffrey Sipress     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Cham, what a job! You can keep my shares of the royalties. A great little minor feel storytelling number.

OK, how about other interpretations. you guys? Swing, shuffle, ragtime, or hawaiian versions would be interesting.

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Eddie Punch
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posted 05-07-2002 13:00     Click Here to See the Profile for Eddie Punch   Click Here to Email Eddie Punch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I propose that the first public performance of "Shoebox Blues" should be at the IGS NY 2K2 Student Concert and be performed by "Shoestring Kurt and the Loose Heels."

Corn Dog: Well done ! It's growing on me by the minute.

L'Internet, c'se fantastic, n'est pas vrai ?

Eddie

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Dennis Roger Reed
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posted 05-07-2002 16:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis Roger Reed   Click Here to Email Dennis Roger Reed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another slight re-write: as an anal retentive, and a songwriter, I wanted the rhyme scheme to match. So I'm certainly not married to any of my new rhymes, but this has a better cadence for singing:

There was an old shoebox left in my car
Packed full of misery, and a miniature crow bar.
No shoes, no shoes, what shall I do?
Go on drinking like those little crows do.
[Chorus]
[You know a shoebox ain’t nothin’
But cardboard and glue.
But a bar full of crows
Grows in multiples of two.
Let’s crow around
And around again
Crowing them old
Shoebox blues.]

She only drank Bourbon, to suppress her dreams.
Three bottles a day made her take off them low rise jeans.
She looked pretty fine to this wolf in the woods.
Made me think the kind of things that no man should.
[Chorus]
Her hips made me swim, from side to side.
And she let out a hiccup, that wounded my pride.
After that hiccup came a phlegmatic wheeze.
And old woman! Lord, somebody help me breathe.
[Chorus]
Put my shoes in your shoebox, soothe my achin’ soles.
The undertaker laughed, at the little crow poles.
“We don’t need socks, for your smelly feet.
We just need Bourbon, make mine neat."
[Chorus & Outro]

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Tom Austin
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posted 05-07-2002 16:57     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Austin   Click Here to Email Tom Austin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it. the rhyme scheme was making me itch a bit, too.

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Kurt
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posted 05-07-2002 18:34     Click Here to See the Profile for Kurt   Click Here to Email Kurt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great stuff guys. We're gonna get a good song out of this. I just got home from little league and I've got some reading to do now, but I'll grab a guitar and take this baby out for a spin tomorrow afternoon.

I've found that the editing process can go on for months or more. But you never know, sometimes things fall into place quickly. We'll definitely have something to kick around at guitar camp.

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W. Jebe
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posted 05-07-2002 19:29     Click Here to See the Profile for W. Jebe   Click Here to Email W. Jebe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great job Dennis! The song makes more sense and has a better rhythm.

Walt

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Corn Dog
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posted 05-07-2002 19:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, lets run with it!

[This message has been edited by Corn Dog (edited May 07, 2002).]

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Lovat Fraser
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posted 05-09-2002 16:44           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well ,
saw the unstoppable Prof.Broz in a lovely wee theatre tonight.

A full on poly rythymic tour of the world ensued.My favs were a explosive "Come on in My Kitchen " and a Blind Blake rampage on the charango ...I was watching it ...but I still couldn't fully take it in...!

Anyway it seems Oz beckons our intrepid musical anthropoligist.

adios,
Lovat.

Never mentioned the

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keith
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Nice!
One editing suggestion:
Second verse:
She only drank bourbon, to suppress her dreams
Three bottles a day made her loose at the seams

Seems to flow better and still in the same context.For what it's worth!

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Tom Austin
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posted 05-09-2002 18:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Austin   Click Here to Email Tom Austin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like Keith's suggestion.


I would regret losing the "low rise jeans" line, because it's such a tasty image, but "loose at the seams" works better in rhyme and meaning to me.

I also regretting losing the "lord, lord, lord", but that's the nature of editing, init?

If your favorite line gets cut, don't worry. We'll be spinning a hundred different "regional variations" on this song by this time next year.

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Corn Dog
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posted 05-16-2002 09:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another take on the tune: P.O.D.-like rap/hip hop. Lower tech this time since I was bouncing tracks between tapes. Again, the vocal is for phrasing purposes only!

http://www.randsullivan.com/igsmusic/ShoeboxRap3.mp3


Anyone else gonna post some muscial ideas?

[This message has been edited by Corn Dog (edited September 11, 2002).]

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Corn Dog
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posted 05-22-2002 13:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have updated the above post of "Shoebox Blues Rap" to a better audio version.

[This message has been edited by Corn Dog (edited May 22, 2002).]

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Corn Dog
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posted 01-31-2003 07:16     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like Shoebox Rap has been picked up by one of the MP3 crawlers, MP3Raid, and added to their database of MP3 downloads.
They haven't copied it, just referenced it back to the file in my web server. Consequently, I can track access to it. Oddly, I've seen some requests for it!

I find it curious that that MP3 was pulled rather than any of the other MP3s of my arrangements that I have on my web server. Does someone actually screen the entries the crawler finds before they go into the database? Maybe someone from here added it to the database? Adrian, or anyone else, do you know anything about these folks?

Nice to know we are now in the creative company of Britney Spears naked pix, topless Anna Kournikova, the notorious Pamela Anderson humping video, and thousands of bootlegged music files?

[This message has been edited by Corn Dog (edited January 31, 2003).]

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Adrian Freed
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posted 01-31-2003 08:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Adrian Freed   Click Here to Email Adrian Freed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they probably found that song by following a link to it from another site or by crawling your site searching for interesting title words, e.g. rap

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mizmermaid24
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posted 05-14-2004 06:51     Click Here to See the Profile for mizmermaid24   Click Here to Email mizmermaid24     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anyone help me with this?

I Wasn't Your Shadow

I wasn't your shadow
Over a year ago.
What happened now?
Baby, where did I go?

I love you, baby.
I just can't hold you.
I got all the maybes
And the wonder whys.

I got all the wrongs
And all the rights.
It's you that I long.
I long for you.

I try so hard
To love you more,
But I play my cards
The hard way.

I wasn't your shadow
Over a year ago.
What happened now?
Baby,where did I go?

What I do wrong?
Baby tell me now
Will this be long?
Cuz I can't have pain.

I got all the wrongs
And the rights.
It's you that I long.
I long for you.

I love you, baby.
I just can't hold you.
I got all the maybes
And the wonder whys.

I wasn't your shadow
Over a year ago.
What happened, now?
Where did I go?

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