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Eddie Punch
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posted 06-28-2002 03:16     Click Here to See the Profile for Eddie Punch   Click Here to Email Eddie Punch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had tinitus in my right ear since the end of April. God, it's a pain in the ear. It's being treated by an E.N.T. specialist and sometimes it fades away but it always comes back. The worst part is I don't feel like playing my guitar at all. The sound is high pitched but noteless (if it was 440 Mhz I could at least play in A) and its just there most of the time. Has anone else had this and how did you get rid of it ?

Is this another one of these "over 40" syndromes ?

Eddie

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David
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Hi Eddie, sorry you're hurting.. I think every joint in my old bod hurts, and I spend the morning taking medicine and exercising..

Middle age (over 50) aint for the timid..

Keep in touch (and I will too)

David

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Dan Eason
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Hi Eddie,
Some medications cause tinnitus. Aspirin gives me a bad case of it. I'm sure your MD has asked you about that, but if not, it could be something that simple. I don't think Nationals cause it.....As you age and forget things, the pains are intended to help you remember what you have done. Good luck, Dan

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I just read that vitamin B12 and vitamin C can help minimize tinitus.
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Eddie Punch
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posted 07-03-2002 10:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Eddie Punch   Click Here to Email Eddie Punch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Robino, I'll try that !

Eddie

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Adrian Freed
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posted 07-03-2002 19:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Adrian Freed   Click Here to Email Adrian Freed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the Tinnitus online support group: http://www.eskimo.com/~carol/T/tmain.html

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Eddie Punch
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posted 07-04-2002 09:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Eddie Punch   Click Here to Email Eddie Punch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nice one ! thanks Adrian

Eddie

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Stu Alt
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Tinnitus or ringing in the ears can be caused by many things including drugs, blood vessel problems, infections and tumors. I assume the ENT doctor doesn't think it's anything like that causing the symptoms.

In that case it's most likely either presbycusis (Sorry, that's "old man's ear") or noise induced hearing loss from acoustic trauma. It seems that when the nerve is injured, the frequency you hear as the steady ringing is often near the frequency of hearing loss or damage to the nerve. Audiometry or measuring the hearing at certain frequencies would tell you if this were so in your case.

I did find a refence to the use of Gingko biloba as an aid in reducing tinnitus. It certainly would have little downside and may help. It also could make you smarter, but probably not better looking!

Good Luck

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Eddie Punch
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posted 07-04-2002 14:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Eddie Punch   Click Here to Email Eddie Punch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stuart, thanks for the reply. My ENT doctor prescribed Gingko biloba but I had to give it up because of all the blood rushing around my head. It was awful. (Bloody awful).
Yesterday my homeopathic GP precribed China which is another word for quininne, an anti-malaria remedy. (He could have prescribed gin & tonic but the health insurance wouldn't pay). Hopefully it will work.

It has one of two causes or maby both. In April I was attacked, verbally & physicaly, by a teacher in a computer school. Then in May I got a filling in a tooth, upper right number seven, without an anestethic. It seems the filling started the tinitus off but the attack the reason it stayed. So says the ENT guy. I have no reason to dought him. My hearing is no better, no worse than it was a few years ago.

The real down side is I have lost all interest in playing the guitar. Merde.

The ENT doctor said the best thing would be to go on holiday for a few weeks and relax. What a doctor. He is also a fan of mine in that he always stops and listens to me playing on the street. He also asks me for the names of old blues guys and the names of their albums and then he buys them the same day. Like I said, what a doctor.

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Yo! I have survived 10 years of tinitus. I thought that it was going to go away in a few years after it vibrated all the rods and cones in my ears down to nothing. I noticed that one of the replys said that vitamin C and B12 help reduce tinitus. On the Vitimin C and B12... I am a regular vitimin junkie and feel that through experience the balanced vitamin program I have been on has really helped with my quality of life. I was taking 2,000 vit c a day (1000 in am and 1000 in pm - its water soluable). I ran out several weeks ago and when I read the email reply 'bingo'. My tinitus has gotten 3x times as worse since I ran out versus when I was taking it regular - I'm heading for the drug store. What I am really looking for is a cure not a patch...but I will settle for what ever I can find for now. - Thanks Jeffreya

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You know I forgot something. On the Asprin for tinitus viewpoint - I have heard both ways. Asprin causes thinner blood and is taken by heart attack prone people or people with high blood pressure to thin the blood one nurse said to me that 81 mg is all you should take.

Logically it seems that asprin in this is the case it would provide better criculation for the ears and reduce tinitus but on the other hand - its a pain killer and if your ears are buzzing off setting off the pain alarm in the body or head, it may try to deaden or desensitize the nerves in the ear because this is an abnormal condition. I was taking the asprin until my blood pressure dropped 30 points from exercising and getting in shape.

I'm sitting here with my ears doing the sssssssssssssss thing and and getting back on the vitimin c asap. But...I'm Still looking for the cure.

jeffreya

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RonB
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Eddie,
I know what it's like, I've had it for 8 years. It seems to wax and wain, one day I notice it others I don't. I tried a ton of stuff, pills, vits and acupunture, acupunture seemed to help. But unfortunately, as of now, there is no cure. For me it came along with Meniere's disease, bouts of vertigo. Ringing in the ears usually preceeds a bout of vertigo by a day or so. The vertigo is nothing bad, just annoying, being a little off center feeling, the sidewalk is slightly tilted. Riding in a boat is a whole new experience though...I avoid that these days!
I found over the counter meclizine helps with both the vertigo and the ringing in the ears, you might try that, I get the chewable.

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Jack Cook
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Eddie,

You're right, it truly is a pain in the ass. It could be a symptom of bigger things, though. I don't want to scare you, but here's my experience.

I've had tinnitus since 1984 in my right ear. About a year later, I started having dizzy spells. They would come on slowly and build up within a few days to where I was so dizzy I couldn't stand up. They lasted about a week, and came once or twice a year. About ten years ago they started coming every month, so I went to see an ENT. He diagnosed me with Meniere's Disease, a problem in the inner ear. What happens is that the inner ear (the cochlea) has many chambers in it, like a nautilus shell. Fluid builds up in the chambers and one ruptures, the fluids in them mix and you get dizzy. You also lose a little bit of hearing every time this happens. He put me on a diuretic called Diazyde, to prevent excess fluid build up, and a low salt diet. I don't get dizzy at all anymore, and I take Diazyde every day. I also had a lot of hearing loss in my right ear. Then about 5 years ago, I had another "attack" of Meniere's, and in the course of a weekend the rest of the hearing in my right ear went away. Totally. And it won't come back. And because it's caused by nerve damage, a hearing aid will not help.

This is my scary story. Talk to your doctor about Meniere's Disease. Tinnitus is caused by other things also, so it doesn't have to be Meniere's, but you want to make sure. On the positive side, the volume level of my tinnitus seems to have gone down, and it didn't really take that long for me to sort of get used to it. Now, even though it's still there, I don't really notice it that much. Tinnitus itself doesn't detract from your hearing, it's just a symptom of something that MIGHT harm your hearing, or a sign of damage already done. It's a pain, but you'll find that you can live with it.

Good luck with this. You will get used to it, really, as unbelievable as that sounds. Sit down and play the guitar; try to take your mind off it. Life goes on, and you HAVE to play. You truly are not alone in this.

All the best,
Jack

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Ok...Hi guys, i'm also a musician with tinnitus for over 8 yrs or more...Sometimes they com in your life by the back door without you noticing..

First Chinense or quiquina is by manny phyto books the last!!!!thing you want to get for tinnitus..It is supposed to cause and agravate tinnitus...As aprin. I actualy think that the slicilique acid wich is the base of aprin is a major rôle...I'll explaine asprin eritates the intestines because of the acid salicilique but le same acid in the natural herbal form will not...Prob because of other plante constituant essential that our science guys forgot when creating asprin with this plante base acid. An exemple of plant synergy withing its own contituants.

I red that a study shows that 47% of tinnitus patient where in lack of vit b12. you can find that in beer yeast wich is very complete with all the vit B complex... Vit A is also very important for the ears, wich is beta carotène a powerful antioxidant.. I suggest a blood test vit b12 , liver balance kidney...In chineese medicin tinnitus is linked to liver and kidneys.. You might want to try chrisentem flowers (ju hua) as herbal tea accessible to anyone. Lots of other medicinal plantes in TCM but you have to be very carful...

It a lengendary rumor that ginko biloba helps...I've tryed it for at least 5-6 months...Cant realy tell. Dont seem to have a huge effect on me. But one thing for shur, and i dont want to bring you down but when ever i sing and play the guitar...it rings like crazy...Man lets not hide anywhere els..Its the music. I'm a songwriter a musical writer and have given up for the last 6-8 months...Just started again slowly and the rigning is getting louder again...

There is one thing that helps me, realy...Sometimes, like 3 times out of 5. Its a mixture of 8 herbs that can be found at anny herbal store. I'm trying them all seperatly and combining them to see wich does wath but its a long process...

1-tieul-linden tree leaf-tilla europeana
2-sureau noir-elder flower-sambucus nigra
3-calendula officinalis
4-cardamon-eletarria cadamomum
5-mauve-mallow-malva sulvestris
6-fleur d'oranger-orange flowers-citrus auranthium
7-lavendre-lavender
8-menthe douce-pearminth

Aldo my recomendation might get lost in the immensity of the net for those who care here it is...:

Sleep, tinnitus are louder at night , seems to be related to metabolism in a certain way.

Dont eat surgar, it triggers mine.

Express you anger , dont keep it in, This realy souds crky but the chineese do it again.. Anger is related to the liver and fear is related to the kidneys. I remember one time having a furius argument with a girlfriend and that same night i woke up with an undiscrivable noise so strong in my head, it lasted 45min befor the tinnitus got back to a livable sound...Forgetit man i count have lived like that for a day!! I ran for the bottle of ginco biloba, wich myght have helped..But i remember that argument...Might have ben related..

Get blood test vit b12, liver, kidney and hormonal balance, audio test sinus scan if you wuold like even a full head scan.

If your tinnitus is stronger when you open your mouth wide check the dentist or medical dentist for a temporomandibular x ray and a check up..

Get somme relaxing herbs, change your butiful 1956 gretsch for a soft classical accoustic and change the way you see music...Social pressur is linked to anger...Liver.

The best luck to all you music carryers

If you have anny info or want to share e mail me at steevegilmore@hotmail.com
Cause i ended up on this sit by reserche for tinnitus relate matter...

See you all steeve

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For many years I was a film and television editor. I spent countless hours in small darkly lit rooms with great stereo systems. Then I would leave work and pop on headphones, plug in guitars and take in shows. During the 1980's, half my clientele were music related. Music videos, commercials for albums,MTV, HBO concerts, Saturday Night Live, etc, etc.

Around 1990 I noticed I had ringing in my ears. For the first six month's I thought I would have to change careers. It was very difficult for myself and my clients. I stopped listening to music altogether. When I returned to playing and being obsessive about music again, It was through the pre war blues, bluegrass and country stuff that led me to this forum. I've learned to ignore the ringing and have kept it from getting worse.

The only advice I can give is to be protective of your ears and WATCH WHAT YOU EAT. Salt, sugar, coffee are all stimulants that can bring on ringing. I was (and have become again) a heavy coffee drinker. I have a sweet tooth. I remember at one time the ringing had started to go away. The wife made some chocoalkte chip cookies. I was eating one and it was like someone turned on a light switch. It stayed back on for days. But be careful about how you quit these stimulants. I stopped drinking coffee cold turkey and almost had to be hospitilized I got so sick. The coffee jones can be worse than the ringing. Go slow.

The other things that can help are acupunture and "white noise" therapy. Bob Mould of Husker Du is famous for sleeping with the TV on. While I don't recommend that, it is based on the fact that your mind can adapt to block out certain frequencies. White noise therapy uses a tone gernerator (like one of those things used in therapists office or the wave sound machines for sleeping) to train you to ignore the sound of ringing.

Good luck. It's worst when first diagnosed.

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I've had it for years. I think the original damage was caused by rock music, motorcycles and working as a carpenter for a few years with no hearing protection. Add to that the constant high pitched whine of computer hard drives (7200 rpm stepping motors) for over 20 years and you get at least some damaged basilar membranes.

What really sets it off for me is when I turn down the light in the TV room. When the filament in the lamp starts humming at less than 60 cycles my ears start to overload. It's definitely worse in the evening. I think it's because those specific frequencies build up over the course of the day. If you keep hearing the damaging frequency, your brain doesn't know what to do with it and you get some sort of phase overload (just my theory).

It would be interesting to note the frequency differences in populations from the US and Europe (60 Hertz vs. 50 Hertz). I'm willing to bet at least a buck that our affliction triggers at different notes.

I have only two things that work:

1) meditation

2) Ambien (a prescription sleep medication).

[This message has been edited by Paul Norman (edited June 07, 2004).]

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And keeping some sort of low-level white noise going to mask it, like an FM radio between stations, or a fan running.

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A good friend of mine (with tinius) has started a company to work on new therapies. What is frustrating about this disease is that it has so many causes and such a wide range of symptoms. At work we have contributed a couple of standards (OSC and SDIF )to the prjoect. We developed these for music applications but they can also help describe the many kinds of sounds people have been using to diagnose and "treat" the disease.

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Yep i have had tinitus for about 2 yrs now, this ringing can drive u crazy. I have not found much relief. But i am learning how to cope. I have lost my desire to play music unless i play my acoustic. The electric is just 2 loud,and i am afraid i will cause more damage 2 my ears. I find it very nice to take a shower the sound is not audible while showering,also around flowing water the sound is barely audible. I take a lot of vitamins and can get 2 days of relief every 6 or 7 days I am very thankful for the times i do not have the ringing. I also talk 2 my wife of 23 years about the ringing,and sometimes just talking helps to cope w/your feelings about tinitus. I also find the more you concentrate on something else you forget about the ringing for a while. I speak lightly of the ringing only because i have found ways to cope. Believe me when i first had the ringing i felt as though i may just lose my mind because of the constant ringing, I became very depressed and probaly suicidal but my wife and 2 sons helped me through the hardest times,w/ alot of talking and support. Every body w/tinitus can get by w/ positive friends and family as well as finding outlets to keep you focused. I play a lot of golf and that is my therapy

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My father has had tinitus for years. Probably from being around loud firearms and working on planes and cars. He told me that a certain plane flight he took when he was younger started the ringing and it never went away. It actually progressed and became worse and now he's almost totally deaf in one ear. He saw a specialist ear doctor and basically the doctor said that the damage is done and that nothing can be done to correct it. Eddie, don't fool around with this because it won't go away by itself!

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Fellow Bell Ringers, I hope you all find Bliss. Here's my take on Tinitus. It does not come and go. It's about focus. When you are not focused on it you have in effect forgotten it. It is not unlike the hiss, pop, and wha on old 78s, which doesn't bother me that much either. Now, if i could just forget these aches and pains. Aloha,D.

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Is this a forum for guitarists with tinnitus or tinnitus sufferers who just happen to play the guitar? Probably teh later, huh? I have sufered with tin. for about 6 years and in the last few months it has got steadidly worse. I have just read all the messages dating from 2002 and it makes depressing reading. Up to yesturday my tinnitus was bearable now it's all of a sudden got a 100 times louder and i'm scared i'm going deaf! Still, I've have my flowers and music to consol me! I'll certainly try some of the remedies recommended - watch this space.

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Had tinitus for about 35 years now. The problem is to do with the fine hairs being damaged due to excessive and sustained noise. The frequency of the tinitus is not much different for all folk with the problem from all my reasearch over the years.

There is no cure insofar as the damage will remain all the rest of your life (big warning here to those who like to sit in cars with 5 million db going just to impress the girls).

As someone said, you have to learn to live with it.

I have tried the Ginko Biloba and found a surprising result, I am hearing better in the higher frequencies, and I mean it is like hearing the music for the first time. Was it the Ginko? Who knows, but it does seem to be a factor. The other change was to reduce (not cut out) the carbohydrates and reduce suger intake.

Whatever worked for the huge improvement in my hearing music I don't care, I will continue to reduce the amount of sugers and carbohydrates and nag my wife to keep buying the Ginko Biloba.

I have just come back from a pleasant late lunch which finished with some very sweet deserts, guess what, my tinitus is really bad. Coincidence? I don't think so, there was no loud music and a very pleasant warm day in the shade, so the main suspect was the huge portion of cheesecake and cream, the strawberry flan, the Black Forest Gatau and something I cannot recall. Ah well, I will just have to walk that off and hope the tinitus gets less annoying.

So, as per other suggestions:

1. Try Ginko Boloba unless you have side affects (which may be cured by reducing your suger intake)
2. Reduce your simple carbohydrates such as sweet things, bread, pasta and potatoes.
3. Do not stay in very noisy environments, check out Dangerous Decibels for more info. It is not just the noise level, it is the time you spend as well. Just 15 minutes per day with the headphones at level 5 WILL damage your ears. This may have an effect on the nuisence level of your tinitus.
4. Reduce your alcohol intake, it gets converted to suger.
5. Unless you are excercising, reduce your salt (read the labels and go for fresh foods)

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It might be worthwhile exploring the possible link between candida (yeast infection) and tinitus. This would explain why sugar seems to be a trigger. In my experience the best way to handle tinitus is to take multivitamins, codliver, primrose and linseed oils, keep sugar to an absolute minimum, eat wholegrain foods (brown rice, wholemeal bread, wholemeal pasta), and drink plenty of fluids. I find eucalyptus oil helps, and propolis. Deep breathing and yoga are great, keeping stress down is extremely important.

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I don't think it is yeast. Tinnitus loudness can reflect enzyme levels. In my case it seems to be elevated pancreatic enzymes. Your advice is good although much of the benefit can also be obtained with the strategy of more, smaller meals/day.

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Hi,

I've had this sound in my left year since last night, and I wonder if it is tinnitus...I've always had sounds in my ear - for very short periods though - and whenever I read about tinnitus I was afraid it somehow would catch up on me someday. Bingo! I had a rather bad argument with my relation last night, and I think this could have triggered my "sounding ear". What is also true is that I've been eating loads of sweets in the past days, therefore it is very likely that my body is suffering a lack of vitamine b12...Anna, I found your remarks quite interesting. I'll go and see the doctor in January if it hasn't got better until then. Good luck to all of you! :-)

Bella

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Bella,

I have tinnitus. It is a high pitched ringing sound in both ears. It gets worse as I get tired in the evening. Loud noises will definitely set it off. It also seems triggered if you hit the pitch of the damaged cilia in your ear. Mine is set off by lights on dimmer switches when the fillament of the light vibrates at a lower frequency.

All I can suggest is that you take care of your ears. Mine were affected by construction, rock music, and motorcycle noise. Use soft ear plugs on an airplane. Several companies make noise cancelling earphones. I've heard very good things about the Bose product (but it is very expensive). Sustained noises over 80 db will affect your hearing. 90 db or louder noises will definitely bring on ear damage.

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For those of you who experience the sugar Tinnitus connection:

"How Sugar Metabolism Affects Tinnitus:
Hyperinsulinemia and Inner Ear Disorders

by Barry Keate


For several years I’ve been hearing discussions about a connection between sugar metabolism disorders, such as Diabetes, and tinnitus. A detailed study from the Federal University of Rio Grande School of Medicine, in Brazil, has brought this dietary connection into sharp focus. It is published in the current issue of the International Tinnitus Journal, Volume 10, Number 1, 2004.


A complete discussion of the metabolic disorders that lead to Diabetes is beyond my expertise and is still being researched and debated by scientists. I have therefore simplified the study and distilled it into something useful for myself and hopefully the readers of this newsletter.


The inner ear, like the brain, is totally without energy reserves. Its metabolism depends directly on the supply of oxygen and sugar (glucose) from the blood supply. Alterations in glucose metabolism therefore have great potential for disturbing the workings of the inner ear. The researchers referenced previous studies showing that between 84 and 92% of tinnitus patients were shown to have a metabolic disorder called hyperinsulinemia.


Hyperinsulinemia is an elevation of insulin levels in the bloodstream. It is a direct consequence of a metabolic disorder known as Insulin Resistance. This is characterized by a reduced biological response to insulin at the cellular level. Insulin becomes less effective in transferring glucose from the bloodstream to the cells. The pancreas then produces more insulin in order to lower blood glucose levels and insulin levels increase. Hyperinsulinemia is known to be related to hypoglycemia and, as it progresses, leads eventually to Type II Diabetes.


There are three standard tests to determine hyperinsulinemia. They all involve having the patient drink 100 mg of pure glucose in a water solution then monitoring blood insulin levels over a period of time. The first test is fasting insulinemia, the second is a two hour test and the third is a five hour test which measures and averages insulin levels every hour. The fasting insulinemia test has been shown to only have an accuracy of 10% for diagnosing hyperinsulinemia. The two hour test has an accuracy of 89% and the five hour test has an accuracy of 99% in diagnosing this metabolic disorder.


Hyperinsulinemia and Type II Diabetes can most often be controlled through diet and exercise. This fact led the researchers to embark on a clinical trial to find if dietary control of hyperinsulinemia would have an affect on the patient’s tinnitus.


They enrolled 80 tinnitus patients who were also diagnosed with hyperinsulinemia into the study. They placed the 80 patients on a minimum 2 year diet designed to restore insulin to normal levels. Patients were asked to eat every three hours to prevent hypoglycemia; to avoid refined sugar and simple carbohydrates; to restrict their intake of fatty foods, especially saturated or hydrogenated fats; to take no more than 2 cups of coffee per day, limit intake of alcoholic beverages and drink four to six glasses of water per day.


The end results of this study are quite remarkable. The researches found that, of the 80 patients enrolled, 59 had followed the diet for the minimum of two years and 21 had not. In the patients that followed the diet, improvement of tinnitus was 5 times greater than in those who did not follow it. Specifically, of those who adhered to the diet, 24% had no improvement, 22% had some improvement, 39% had significant improvement and 15% had resolution of their tinnitus; it completely disappeared. Over 50% of the patients who adhered to the diet had significant improvement or complete resolution.


Of those who did not adhere to the diet, 86% had no improvement, 0% had some improvement, 14% had significant improvement and 0% had resolution. Overall, of those who adhered to the diet, 76% had improvement ranging from moderate to complete elimination, while in those who did not adhere, 14% had improvement.


The researchers continued to state that carbohydrate disorders are one of the probable causes of Meniere’s disease as well as tinnitus. They said that while tinnitus can be managed with diet and exercise, dizziness is the symptom that diminishes the most with metabolic control.


They conclude by urging physicians who treat tinnitus patients, to give them a thorough investigation for metabolic disorders, using the 5 hour glycemic and insulinemic curves, and to urge their patients who have these disorders to adjust their diet and lifestyles to manage insulin levels, thereby reducing tinnitus and Meniere’s disease symptoms.


Michael Seidman, MD, noted tinnitus authority, has long advocated regular exercise and diet restrictions for those people with tinnitus. Dr. Seidman states, “It is imperative that people with tinnitus adhere to an excellent diet based on all food groups and that they reduce or eliminate their use of caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, fatty foods, salt and simple sugars (such as refined carbohydrates)”. Dr. Seidman also endorses the use of Arches Tinnitus Formulas for the reduction of tinnitus symptoms recognizing that a "multi-modality” approach is very effective.


So, put away the pastries, limit white bread, forego the ice cream and go for a walk. Eat more vegetables and fruits and avoid as much as possible processed foods which are often high in fat and salt. If you have a particularly disturbing case of tinnitus, consult with your doctor about possible metabolic disturbances and a specific diet that can help."

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Dear Tinnitus sufferers

We all have a story to tell, and it was both disturbing and encouraging to read your experiences. I have had tinnitus for almost 10 years as the result of an acoustic trauma (loud noise from construction underneath a transit hall while waiting in an airport) Mine got so bad that I eventually had to quit my job as a university lecturer because of the concentration problems and hearing difficulties. Also lack of sleep and problems wtih it made it impossible to work. I stopped playing music for 2 years, which seems a common problem, but the music has given me a way back to a worthwhile life. after about 2 years I was put in touch with a tinnitus clinic in a nearby city which made ALL the difference for me. I went to counseling, a a doctor who is a specialist in tinnitus, got help in dealing with the insurance problems and national health plan, and got medication.

It is still a hard road, but I can manage most of the time. Here in Sweden anti-depressants are used and work often well in reducing the stress caused by the constant sound. Instead of being bugged by it constantly, the medicine makes you sort of just accept it. You hear it, but just say, okay, and try to forget about it. I have had to do this on an off for years when things got too bad to take.

Tinnitus is stressful and the combination of the stress, sound, lack of sleep, and eventual hyperacusis (oversensitivity to sound) makes for a tough combination. I have earpluts I wear outside the house if I walk in city streets. Everything over 60db hurts! I use earplugs to play my National guitar, because it is so loud, and I have to use earplugs to play with other musicians, but I still play. I also get dizziness, which can last fours or days, but do NOT have Meniere's, so don't be TOO surprised if you get that problem and don't have Meniere's.

My advice:
Get a good doctor that has experience.

Consider an antidepressant temporarily when hitting some really bad rough spots. Count on using it for at least a year... IT takes a month to get up to dose.

Don't hope for the miracle cure - you will hear about lots of them from friends, family, and in articles. There is none, and it is NOT going to go away. Accept that you have it and see what you can do to make life more bearable. (I have tried homeopathy, acupuncture, gingko biloba, an experimental clinic run by Russians in Estonia... to no avail and at great financial cost.)

Take a nap during the day if you need to. I find I can manage better during evenings with a nap.

If your quality of life is severely reduced by tinnitus and affects your family too, investigate getting a disability pension. I finally got one, and despite not wanting to do it, it is probably the one thing that has enabled me to get on with my life. It was impossible to hold a job...

Get into a tinnitus help group and meet other sufferers, which is good in the beginning when you don't understand what is going on. You will subjectively think tinnitus is worse, when talking about it. That is normal...

Avoid people with the flu and colds like the plague. Any sickness will make you feel much worse, and tinnitus sufferers get blocked ears when getting colds, which raises the volume to extreme levels.

Massage has helped me, and DESPITE not believing in it, REIKI. My massage therapist asked if she could try REIKI on me and I said okay, and it HELPED! I don't know why or how, it is some sort of healing. But regular massage to reduce the tension around the jaws, and shoulders really helped. Sometimes jaw surgery or mouthpieces to bite on at night can help too. See a dentist that deals with tinnitus patients. We have one at our tinnitus clinic.

Try an audio masker (like a hearing aid with white noise) at low volume to help you get distracted from YOUR sound. Some use white noise from radios, tvs, whatver works for you.

Since the concentration problems can be severe, be aware of this ---- you may not be able to read very well, may leave your keys in the refrigerator, and can't get through that article you were supposed to read for that meeting at work. It doesn't make sense! Some people think they have had brain damage, but it is the tinnitus. Put a similar sound on a tape recorder in a room of people and ask them to try to talk to each other or read. They would go MAD! You get the point.

I use audio books on an iPod mp3 player (the best thing I have ever bought for helping my tinnitus!) and sometimes helps me get to sleep at night doing this. Also, relaxation exercises on tape have helped me.

Well, enough of this... but I hope that maybe some of these words can give encouragement and help to somebody. It felt very lonely in the beginning when I got it and didn't realize what was happening to me.

all the best
Bert

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Adrian,

That's a very interesting article. Where was it from?

bdievert,

I think your approach is very good for anybody with a chronic disability. Accept it, but be adaptable and keep seeking solutions. Some things will work incredibly for some yet be totally ineffective for others.

Good Luck

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http://www.tinnitusformula.com/infocenter/articles/treatments/sugar_met.aspx


Here is the abstract of the study from http://www.tinnitusjournal.com/

Hyperinsulinemia and Tinnitus: A Historical Cohort
Luiz Lavinsky (a,b), Marcelo W. Oliveira (b), Humberto J.C. Bassanesi (b), Cíntia D’Avila (c), and Michelle Lavinsky (a)
(a) Research Center, Hospital de Clínicas de Porto Alegre, (b) School of Medicine, Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul, and (c) Clínica Lavinsky, Porto Alegre, Brazil

Abstract:
Tinnitus affects millions of people worldwide, and it signals the presence of several underlying diseases, including hyperinsulinemia. The aim of this study was to evaluate the response to dietary treatment in 80 patients with associated tinnitus and hyperinsulinemia. On the basis of data obtained by a questionnaire, two groups were established: One included patients who followed the prescribed diet; the other group included patients who did not comply with the treatment. The likelihood of improving tinnitus symptoms was fivefold higher in hyperinsulinemic patients who followed the diet than in those who did not (relative risk [RR], 5.34; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.85–15.37; p < .05). In addition, resolution of tinnitus was reported by 15% of the patients who followed the diet as compared to 0% of those who did not. These findings underscore the importance of including hyperinsulinemia in the routine diagnostic investigation of patients with tinnitus regardless of whether associated with neurosensory dysacusis or vertigo (or both).

Key Words:
glycemic disorders; hyperinsulinemia; metabolic disorders; tinnitus

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Adrain

Most interesting. Thanks for the reference.

I guess "you are what you eat".

Stu


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Stew,

I am what I yam.

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Adrian

thanks for the interesting info about diet. This was new to me. Though friends have said their tinnitus got worse with coffee or alcohol, the sugar connection and carbohydrates was new to me. I am going to pass this stuff on to my tinnitus specialist.

cheers
BERT

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Thanks Adrian for the info.
Yes, I'm another tinitus sufferer. I had no idea there were so many! Over fifty and ringing like a bell.

I think the cause of mine was damage bought on by target rifle shooting without ear defenders (they were not invented back then!) I have a high pitched tone mainly in the left ear.
I've learnt to ignore it most of the time and it seems in search of a healthy diet I've helped to minimise the effect. It just comes and goes.
My main problem is when trying to listen to people in a noisy room. I cannot separate out the speaker from the background. It leaves me feeling isolated and frustrated.
On the guitar front I play acoustic and a tricone, sing and generally cope well. Thank heavens for small mercies.


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quote:
Originally posted by Adrian Freed:
http://www.tinnitusformula.com/infocenter/articles/treatments/sugar_met.aspx


Here is the abstract of the study from http://www.tinnitusjournal.com/

Hyperinsulinemia and Tinnitus: A Historical Cohort
Luiz Lavinsky (a,b), Marcelo W. Oliveira (b), Humberto J.C. Bassanesi (b), Cíntia D’Avila (c), and Michelle Lavinsky (a)
(a) Research Center, Hospital de Clínicas de Porto Alegre, (b) School of Medicine, Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul, and (c) Clínica Lavinsky, Porto Alegre, Brazil

Abstract:
Tinnitus affects millions of people worldwide, and it signals the presence of several underlying diseases, including hyperinsulinemia. The aim of this study was to evaluate the response to dietary treatment in 80 patients with associated tinnitus and hyperinsulinemia. On the basis of data obtained by a questionnaire, two groups were established: One included patients who followed the prescribed diet; the other group included patients who did not comply with the treatment. The likelihood of improving tinnitus symptoms was fivefold higher in hyperinsulinemic patients who followed the diet than in those who did not (relative risk [RR], 5.34; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.85–15.37; p < .05). In addition, resolution of tinnitus was reported by 15% of the patients who followed the diet as compared to 0% of those who did not. These findings underscore the importance of including hyperinsulinemia in the routine diagnostic investigation of patients with tinnitus regardless of whether associated with neurosensory dysacusis or vertigo (or both).

Key Words:
glycemic disorders; hyperinsulinemia; metabolic disorders; tinnitus


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Sorry - my first post - didn't include anything. Operator error.

Adrian and all others who have contributed to the tinnitus topic - thank you for the information. I have found it very enlightening and hopefully it will prove to be helpful.

I am not a guitarist (though I do own a guitar and did at one time aspire). I am at least a fan of all who play it in all of its many genre, so I hope my post will be welcome here. I found this forum while searching the Web for info on Tinnitus.

I am a relative new comer to the tinnitus problem, measuring my discomfort only in months as opposed to the decades that some of you posting here have been forced to deal with it. Much of what I have read in this discussion makes sense and I hope to discuss much of it with my ENT specialist tomorrow. But I have a question relative to the onset of my particular case of tinnitus to see if anyone else here may have a similar experience or know of some one who has, or of research in this direction.

My tinnitus began back in late September to early October and I believe was the result not of noise, but rather to some kind of allergic reaction to the strong scents of a particular scented candle. It effected me with a severe itching in my inner ear and a itching/burning in my throat that lasted about 15-20 minutes. When the itching subsided I was left with the hissing in my ear. The hissing has basically been non-stop ever since, though much of the time I do not notice it.

For me relief comes as a combination of Signal to Noise Ratio and concentration/distraction factor. When signal (things I want to hear or just other ambient sound levels from my environment) are high enough I do not notice the hiss as much, or if I am concentrating on anything other than the hiss, I tend not to hear it. At night or in the morning when other sound levels are low to non-existent and I am not concentrating on anything - the hissing appears quite loud.

I find the idea that tinnitus may be associated with blood sugar levels and carbohydrates interesting as I have both been wondering if I have started to develop problems in that area and know that my carbohydrate levels (and weight) have increased significantly in the last 12 months.

I also find the use of both B-12 and Ginkgo Biloba interesting as I was taking both during the period prior to and through the onset of my tinnitus symptom. I was taking Ginkgo Biloba for the first time (for memory reasons) and B-12 as part of a mega-multi vitamin I started taking. I ran out of Ginkgo Biloba about a month ago and have not been taking it. I have not noticed any difference in the hissing as a result of being off of it. As I ran out of the ginkgo biloba I also started skipping the mega-multi vitamins much of the time. Again, I have not noticed any difference in the hissing either with or without the added B-12 in my system. To me at least this is significant in both cases since I was not aware that either Ginkgo Biloba or vitamin B-12 where suppose to have any effect on tinnitus symptoms.

Other possible contributing factors to the onset of my tinnitus symptoms: I have definitely and significantly increased my carbohydrate levels over the past 18 or so months and have experienced a 15 lb weight gain during that period. Also, I have been forced to stop running or getting much cardio vascular exercise of any kind due to a severe ankle injury back in June that is still on the mend.

Bottom line: I am going to make some immediate changes in my diet and figure out a way to start getting some exercise to loose some weight, and see if these measures will diminish my tinnitus symptoms.

I’ll keep you all posted.

Thanks for listening,
Roger

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B12 is also a nifty hangover remedy. Lots of experience there. Maybe that's where all that ringing came from.

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Afternoon;

Being a relative new comer to tinnitus, only suffering now for the last 18 days. I have no recommendations or advice to proffer. I just appreciate the fact that people have taken the trouble to post such seemingly good, unbiased advice.

My tinnitus was brought on by a few hours clay pigeon shooting without ear defenders. I’ve had tinnitus once before for about three days, again after shooting in the US, but this time it hasn’t gone away. My Doctor (certainly not a specialist as my blood pressure wasn’t taken) has claimed it is a good thing my tinnitus has a probable cause (ie. the shooting), and hopes it will go away within a month or two. Judging from the previous posts (I’ve read them all with interest) this doesn’t seem too likely.

It is interesting to note that people have posted articles above for and on behalf of people they know who have / have had tinnitus. I imagine this to the far reaching consequences of this disease.

I’d just like to say that the posts and advice given above will be put to good use! I’ll keep this forum posted and will let you know if I have any success with treatments or courses of vitamins.

Good luck to everyone.

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Wow, what a great find, this discussion on tinitus. I've had only slight version of it for years, but in the past month it's become much worse, including a noticable decrease in hearing, and strangely at the same time an over-sensitivity to noise (in right ear only). I plan to see an ENT specialist asap, and will talk about all the options you folks have mentioned here over the last few years. In my search, I saw the original post by Eddie Punch, from 2002 and I'm wondering if he's made any progress since then.

Oh, by the way I rehearse with a band once a week, our new drummer is quite loud and I blame him (partly)! Also, my problem coincides with starting to take Zocor, an anti-cholesteral medication. Tinitus is not a known side effect, but I may knock that off to see if there's any change, it could be just coincidence.

Thanks again, and I'll be back

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