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projit
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posted 09-20-2002 02:49     Click Here to See the Profile for projit   Click Here to Email projit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Friends,
I am writing in to seek some advice on travel guitars. To ensure that i can carry my own guitar to IGS workshops in future ( rather than the toy some of you may remember seeing me carry around in San Diego or to have to explain the muscles i have developed on my left hand carryin DRR's Donmo dream)I intend to invest in a decent travel guitar. I had picked up a Go Guitar while at San Diego which i am reasonably happy with.It is a cutaway and has a good sound given that the body is quite small.

However during the rest of my holiday in the US i happened to visit a small music shop in NY where i saw a unbranded travel guitar which had a conventional body ...and boy did it boom !! Certainly louder than the Go Guitar i have bought at $300. This one was only for $90. On my return home i did some research on the internet and find that there are a few brands of travel guitars available with a conventional body as opposed to the funky shapes akin to the Go guitar or the Martin Backpacker.

I have narrowed down to two choices. 1) The Washburn Joey at $80 something and 2) The Baby Taylor at $240 something . Im going to be in New York again in October. I would be grateful if i could get some feedback on which one would be better value for money ?? ..given that i want to stick to acoustic blues with some bottleneck thrown in.

Thanks a ton in advance .

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When I'm traveling I take my Martin O-15 in a Harptone Hardcase. The Martin O body is small but it is still a "full sized guitar". The Harptone case is a perfect fit and the overall size and weight is very easy to manage.

Eddie

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I travel with my Donmo Dream and I can use it as a weapon if I want to. Weight: guitar plus case is only 9.8 Kilo ! No problem !

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posted 09-20-2002 07:30     Click Here to See the Profile for Adrian Freed   Click Here to Email Adrian Freed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We discussed this at length in this thread

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posted 09-20-2002 13:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Jmondo   Click Here to Email Jmondo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the Taylor Baby with the included travel case.Considering the size am impressed, and it does the job as well as you can hope for if you're a fingerpicker. Has a punchiness appropriate for blues fingerstyle. Customers in the shop that I bought it and heard me playing it said the same thing.

Taken it into the cabin of airplanes two or three times with no hassle at all. Fits right into the smallest of overheads.

also caught my 4 year old literally standing on it in its case which made my blood run cold, but there wasn't a scratch , dent or crack

I've tried the Martin backpacker which was very disappointing. If you fingerpick, I'd give that a pass quickly.

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I love my Laravee Parlor Guitar. It's tiny to carry, sounds huge, very comfortable to play, costs around $500, though it should cost 3 times as much. I have played it at a couple of gigs and worked great. It has spoiled me so that I don't want to lug around my full size wood body guitars or heavy nationals.

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posted 09-20-2002 20:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Jacobs   Click Here to Email Scott Jacobs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Projit,

I confess to actually liking the sound of the little travel guitar that you brought to IGS San Diego. I thought it played and sounded fine for a travel guitar, rather punchy and distinctive for such a small little beast.

I have a Baby Taylor. I love it and likely will never sell it. But I bought mine before ever having had the chance to play a Larivee Parlor. The Larivee Parlor guitars are all solid wood and I'm told that they are based on an old Martin design. More than just a travel guitar, I think they sound especially good for fingerstyle blues.

Another option that hasn't been mentioned yet is this half size Style O made by Fine Resophonic guitars in France. Check it out at: http://www.fineresophonic.com/custom3m.htm

Gentleman luthier and IGS San Diego Alumni, Charles Freeborn, mentioned that he has ideas for a travel guitar employing a short scale and a mandolin sized Dobro cone. How's that coming along, Charles?

Incidentally, my most "traveled" guitar is now my National Reso-Phonic Style 1 Tricone. It fits just fine in the overhead in a gig bag.

But, I recently read an article in USA Today that states that the Airlines are now cracking down and actually enforcing old restrictions that have long been in the fine print. Apparently, one will continue to have the privilege to carry it on the plane but you may get "nickel and dimed" with extra surcharges that may far outweigh the cost of shipping.

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posted 09-21-2002 12:15     Click Here to See the Profile for projit   Click Here to Email projit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Guys,

Thanks a lot for the inputs. I think i am veering towards a Baby Taylor. Adrian would you be kind enough to check out the over all length of your Ibanez ....i know a Baby Taylor is 33 & 3/4th inches ..dont seem to find the full length of an Ibanez Mini dreadnought any where.Any inputs at all on the WashBurn ? Scott thanks a ton for the link on the samll resonator ...that will have to wait for a couple of years ...but it looks beautiful piece.

Thanks again

Cheers

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Rob C
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When I travel I just take my hardcase wrap it in bubble and then duck tape the entire case,I put it under planes ,when I get to whereever I take a razor blade and make a small slit at the back ,slide the entire case out, I bring duck tape with me ,slide the case back into the bubble ducktape shell and just retape the slit,it's the greatest works every time,,,,,,just my way,,,

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posted 09-23-2002 09:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Jmondo   Click Here to Email Jmondo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dr. Rob

Sounds good but I hope you don't recycle that razor blade at work.

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posted 09-24-2002 01:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Guillaume     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I hope you don't take that razor blade on the plane...
I own a baby Taylor and it's great. It sounds particularly cool for slide. I hear Keb'Mo recorded some slide stuff with one on one of his CDs...

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Projit, I don't think that you can go wrong with a Baby Taylor. It sounds like you are on your way to owning the definitive collection of travel guitars. Here's a few other to add to your collection:

The Tommyhawk travel guitar played by the likes of Hambone on his new CD. http://www.tommyhawk.com/specs.htm

The Tacoma Papoose sounds great. This guitar as well as the Tommyhawk are tuned a fourth higher than standard. The Papoose now comes in a variety of solid tonewoods. http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/PAPOOSE.htm

By the way, Taylor recommended that the Baby Taylor be tuned to F# the first two years it was in production. Later they changed recommendations to standard tuning.

I hear that the Gypsy guitarists now take the "Mini Mac" with them when flying. And its perfect for playing the little known unrecorded Django Reinhardt composition called "Travel Guitars." http://www.eimers-guitars.nl/guitarproducts.htm

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Another vote for the Baby Taylor in the Hardshell case.

I own the Larivee Parlour (great for breaks at the workplace, kept under my desk), the Martin Backpacker, and the Tayor Baby.

The Taylor has proved to be the best compromise for a guitar that goes places. When traveling by vehicle it rides under the backseat of my pickup, the case is plenty strong enough to protect it from falling luggage, etc. And so far it has held up very well to temprature extremes without complaint. When I've taken it to jams I have never had any problem being heard. The overall tone is very good. It's a winner. I'd add that I've always tuned it to concert pitch and if anything it seems kinda of on the loose side, short scale? I put elixers on and change them once every millenium.

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posted 09-29-2002 06:28     Click Here to See the Profile for mondo   Click Here to Email mondo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guillaume

Thanks for the tip on using the Baby Taylor for slide. Tried it yesterday with great results.

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Rob C
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posted 09-29-2002 07:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob C   Click Here to Email Rob C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Jmondo ,I just use the razor to shave after I take my guitar out,,that all

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posted 10-18-2002 09:53     Click Here to See the Profile for projit   Click Here to Email projit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Friends ,

Back in India after 10 days in New York . Acquired my Baby Taylor (Mahogany) within half an hour of hitting Manhattan form a Sam Ash store ..followed by tons of guitar literature from a store called the Colony Music store ..so got loads of material to supplement the nuggets hoarded back from IGS - SD.

Thanks for all the inputd ..wish i could have afforded a Larivee but the Taylor is excellent value for money.
Charles - id be keen to know about the results with the resonater you are building . BTW saw your post on Woody,s forum referring to my post on harmonising . Have been working on his advice with good results. I should have a template on improvisation that works on most genres.

Shall sign off for now .

Hope to catch up with you wonderful folks soon
Cheers !

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I own a Baby Taylor and really enjoy it. Sometimes you just don't want the the D-18 in a trunk or worse for a week. Everyone really gets a kick out of it until they play it and then the envy starts. As most of you here know the travel guitar thing takes on its own life. I want other travel guitars almost as much as other fine full size. The mini martin is cool and I see Gibson has a new offering as well. But have you seen this one? Check it out...http://www.brunner-guitars.com/index.htm

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Originally posted by stewdog:
I own a Baby Taylor and really enjoy it. Sometimes you just don't want the the D-18 in a trunk or worse for a week. Everyone really gets a kick out of it until they play it and then the envy starts. As most of you here know the travel guitar thing takes on its own life. I want other travel guitars almost as much as other fine full size. The mini martin is cool and I see Gibson has a new offering as well. But have you seen this one? Check it out...http://www.brunner-guitars.com/index.htm

Unbelievable! I just saw these advertised in the June 2005 issue of Acoustic Guitar. Here's a working link: http://www.outdoorguitar.com

I want one!

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i just ordered a go guitar walnut grande for about 350 for a trip to scotland this summer and its gonna be sweeeeeeet!

and those brunners are awsome!

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If you're looking for a travel or practice instrument then you owe it to yourself to check out the Lapstick at www.lapstick.com.
It's really something else.

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I own a Baby Taylor and have trouble keeping it in tune. Any suggestions?

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I own a Baby Taylor and have trouble keeping it in tune. Any suggestions?

I had a similar problem with my boy's Baby Taylor. When we went to do a string change the neck was just a little loose. We pulled the neck off and cleaned all contact surfaces then reassembled with the fasteners tight. The new strings made a big difference in the sound and after the strings set in (we had to retune 3 or 4 times) the strings stabilized and it held a tune from then on. The Baby has laminate sides and back, but humidity changes can effect tuning on wood guitars. Storage should be in a hard case and possibley with a humidifier (ecspecially if its dry in your area in the winter). There s a "How to care for a wood guitar" pdf on the Taylor website that may help you. Hope this helps you out some!!

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Those Outdoor Guitars look like the answer to a prayer, anybody ever play one. European too - no import duty.
Happy new year, everyone,
Malcolm

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I've been lookin' at this one for a 3 week trip to Thailand with the family soon;
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/TW15BABY.htm
Sounds nice, very playable!

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Malcolm Kindness, I ordered a custom Outdoor Guitar mid-November of last year, so I should be receiving it near the end of this month. I plan on posting a review of the OG, so keep tabs on a thread I started about it a week or two ago.

IGS forum member, PaulData, owns an Outdoor Guitar that he purchased from another member here on these forums, and he says it's fantastic.
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Try this one. Nice Acoustic sound. No amplifier needed. with a great price of only $249.95
Plus shipping and handling
WWW.JLStravelguitars.com

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Info for anyone picking up on this thread.

There are quite a few "Baby Taylor" size guitars on the market, of various quality (3/4 size "000" style shape - but a lot shallower). Some, like the Tanglewood TW15, use solid tone woods. These sound better but are more expensive and fragile than the laminate "beater" versions (which I prefer for their functionality).

The 23" scale of these guitars usually means some intonation issues (less margin for error). They lack depth and volume in the sound BUT they are absolutely fine for campfires, beaches and mountain huts or hotel rooms (for the more refined of you!). They are certainly all much better than the Martin Packpacker style of travel guitar.

I've got a cheap SX Baby (laminated mahogany). It came with a well padded gig bag - absolutely essential for a travel guitar. The laminated body (or composite body like the Little Martin) is an advantage if, like me, you travel to extremes of climate. My SX Baby has been in 100% humidity rain forest, desert heat and sub-zero. I even have had it freeze solid in its gig bag! I have mine strung with light gauge strings (12-54) but replace the .12 with a .13. I play it in standard tuning, bottleneck slide in open g or d. And I regularly use a nut riser and play it lap style.

Despite the recent security changes, airlines will still take them as your single item of hand bagage.

I really would not be without one of these guitars. They perform the "travel guitar" function exceptionally well - particularly if you are looking for a rough travelling companion, suitable for all conditions.

The Brunner "outdoor guitar" looks and sounds wonderful, but I would be loathed to take one on many of the trips I do - way too good a guitar for smokey mountain huts or beach BBQs. Also it looks more awkward to carry. Perfect for business travel however and those who need real quality tone to feel satisfied.

When my SX Baby (which I would not recommend - there are much better versions of these Baby guitars around) finally dies in some foreign field, I will probably replace it with an HPL Little Martin.

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I've owned 2 Martin Backpackers. I traded the first one. I bought the second one at a flea for a ridiculous price. I eventually gave the second one to my nephew as he does lot's of hiking.

I now own a Larrivee P03 mahogany parlour and LOVE it. I've played many baby Taylors and the Martin version and found they don't intonate well above the 5th fret. The Larrivee Parlour is not really a travel guitar but it travels extremely well just the same.

I don't think anyone has mentioned the Simon & Patrick parlour guitar. I believe it is similar in size to the Larrivee Parlour and sells for around $200 new.

I'd love to get a Tacoma Papoose, especially the 12-string version. Frets.com has a custom one in their gallery made of Koa. Check it out.

http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Gryphon/NewInstGallery/Guitar/Tacoma/KoaPapoose/koapapoose.html
A beautiful Papoose for sure, but priced in the stratosphere.

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I have a Traveler Guitar, there's a picture of it here:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--TRAPROS
It's 28" long only.
It's solid and you listen to it through a 'stethophone' - great for use on a plane.
My son has travelled widely with it....

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Hey Robin, what's that softcase you have there in that photo?

I have a semi-hardcase thing for my travel guitar but I'm after something that I can roll up small & stash away when not in use...

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It appears to be the standard baby Taylor gigbag in that photo.
Re: the Outdoor Guitar by Brunner; having owned one, IMHO it plays and sounds very much like a high-end, handbuilt smallbodied instrument (ie: smaller than a parlor guitar), with its wide fingerboard, and very focused and full sound. Pretty much in a league of its own.

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Check this out http://www.voyageairguitar.com/ I tried one at the HGF and it was great. Sounded good for fingers or slide. Takes about 15 seconds to set up with no retuning necessary. Fits in a backpack size case. I think 1500 was the price. I was duly impressed.

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I have a Romanian built travel guitar, unsure of the brand. Solid spruce top, laminate back + sides. The dealer was intending to sell for £100 +. However, the necks were badly warped in one shipment he recieved. He couldn't sell them like that, but I was able to get one for £10-the cost of postage- and have put a nut extender on it and its a perfect travel lap slide guitar.

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Originally posted by Chris Drew:
Hey Robin, what's that softcase you have there in that photo?

I have a semi-hardcase thing for my travel guitar but I'm after something that I can roll up small & stash away when not in use...


It is a "soft" case made by SX that came with the guitar, but it is basically a straight rip off of the Baby Taylor gig bag. The bag is cordura and so well padded that it wont roll up - you can fold the neck section down to stuff it away.

Taylor got it right when they introduced this size of travel guitar with a tough, functional over-padded gig bag in cordura plus strong strap attachment points. And SX got it right when they copied it I use two prusics loops off the gig bag D rings and a krab to attach the guitar to my mounatineering rucksac.

I've not seen a Little Martin gig bag, but I feel sure the company must have copied the concept - I would have!

Robin

PS - I'm just about to leave the house to go and meet a sea kayak group I have camping down the coast - my travel guitar is already loaded ready to come too

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Hey LiamR, do you mean one of these? link

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Reading that, I believe that is the newer version of mine. That one looks nicer and probably sounds nicer, but for £10 I'm not gonna moan about it.

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Yeah, I have one of those, mine has a pale wood fretboard ( acacia I think ) and a different bridge.

It sounds pretty good, but I couldn't really get on with the flat frets & now I have it set up for lap-steel playing.
I made a brass nut for mine, widened the string spacing a bit.

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When I need a guitar that has a full sized 25" scale, can be disassembled and carried in a small gigbag I use my Yamaha steel stringed Silent guitar.

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/guitar/silent_guitar/index.html

Of course you need an amp. Thats where the Vox DA5 comes into the picture. This tiny wonderful sounding amp fits easily in a suitcase.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DA5

Guitars like the Martin Backpacker just don't make it in my book.

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I finally got the chance to play the Little Martin today. It is a far superior guitar to my SX Baby (pictured above). The version I tried was the LX1, which has a solid spruce top. I'm a little wary of solid tone woods on a travel guitar but I must say the guitar had a good thick lump of spruce for a top that should stay pretty stable through the vagaries of hot, cold , wet , dry climates of world travel - I'd be prepared to take the risk anyway.

The fingerboard was a good width for a 23 inch scale guitar, and I liked the narrow frets, which gave just that bit more room for my fingers on the short scale.

The voice was really very good for a half-size guitar - very well balanced indeed. It was actually better in terms of versatility (strum, fingerstyle and slide) than the A&L AMI I tried it against, which surprised both my son and me. I needed a thumb pick to bring out the bass - but that can only get better as the top opens up. The neck felt really solid and the tuners were subtle enough to cope with the level of accuracy required on a short scale guitar.

The gig bag was perfect for travel - very similar to the excellent Baby Taylor gig bag.

As a travel guitar - this one is not going to disappoint. Hopefully it will age quite nicely as well.

Robin

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