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Adrian Freed
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posted 10-12-2002 16:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Adrian Freed   Click Here to Email Adrian Freed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Time to demonstrate our collective expertise on prewar blues:

1) Which musician who was not from Mississippi had his best friend's girl stolen back again?

2) Name a minor-key blues about execution.

3) Name a song using the melody of "Sittin' On Top Of The World" played on a 12-string and not listed in this thread.

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posted 10-12-2002 16:17     Click Here to See the Profile for stagolee   Click Here to Email stagolee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are we allowed to answer one at a time? 'Cause I got the 2nd one...
Rope Stretching Blues by Blind Blake

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Yes, it's not an individual competition.

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Question 3 has to be Blind Willie McTell, I just have to find the song....with a remote possibilty of it being Leadbelly. My gut instinct says McTell.
I'll go with "Cold Winter Day", Blind Willie McTell

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posted 10-12-2002 18:27     Click Here to See the Profile for I am Ubiquitous   Click Here to Email I am Ubiquitous     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well 3 could also be: Robert Hicks, Charley Lincoln, Willie Baker or maybe George Carter? And 2 could be illinios blues by skip james?

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posted 10-12-2002 23:24     Click Here to See the Profile for Adrian Freed   Click Here to Email Adrian Freed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hoodadoo has question 3 right.
I had Rope Stretchin' Blues in mind for #2, and I hear Illinois Blues is a more of "I gave that woman everything, and she did me wrong" type of blues.

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You are nailing these so fast I better come up with some more:

4) What is that God doesn't like?

5) What is being killed in "Kill it Kid"?

6) John Cephas wants us to mash down those strings. Who doesn't want his digger mashed down deep?

7) How many women does Blind Joe Reynolds have?

8) Who played two keyboard instruments and guitar?

9) The first recorded bottleneck song of Rev. Gary Davis


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Uh, Pat, I think I'd like to buy a vowel.

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8)I'll go for Big Bill Broonzy

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I thought I had another answer that would work for number 2. I had to double check if Bessie Smith's "Send Me To The 'Lectric Chair" was in a minor key, it's not, Alex Trabek.

For # 4, I know God didn't make little green apples!:-) I'll say Moonshine, White Lightning

# 6 might be Bo Carter

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posted 10-13-2002 09:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Hambone   Click Here to Email Hambone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
#4 Drinkin' 'shine

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Yes, you have #4 and #6 right.
I was thinking of someone else for #8. I was thinking of a guy for whom neither guitar nor piano were his first instrument.

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I'm gonna take a stab at Question 1--
K.C. Douglas has that "stole her back again" line in his original version of Mercury Blues. Was he from the Delta? Anybody know?

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"One of the original first-generation Mississippi bluesmen, K. C. Douglas (1913-1975), was influenced by the 1920s recordings of Tommy Johnson, eventually meeting, then busking with his mentor in the early 1940s. Rather than moving to Chicago, as did so many of his contempories, he followed work west to the U.S. naval shipyards of Vallejo, California in 1945. There he joined the San Francisco/Oakland Bay blues scene, and was a fixture in Bay area clubs until his death. "

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damn, damn, damn.... and I was doing so well...

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#5 A bottle of booze?

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#1 was probably Blind Boy Fuller, because he re-used every single bluesline ever recorded.

#5 must be a diddie wah diddie or something similar. Anyway, this question is disqualified as B.W.McTell recorded "Kill It Kid" only in '49, as far as I remember.

#7 depends on which of his songs you believe: in Nehi he states to be a single man, so the answer would be zero. On the other hand, he had a wife and an outside woman in outside woman blues. Maybe he became a single man when his wife discovered the outside woman. And don't forget the third street woman, which might be the same as the outside woman. One woman would be definitely the wrong answer therefore. So it's either 0, 2 or 3. He didn't get very old?? It's three then.

#8 should be Lonnie Johnson, whose first instrument was violin and who played piano, guitar, mandolin, banjo, bass and organ too. If it's not Johnson, it's probably a member of the Chatmon family.
It can't be Lightnin' Hopkins, who recorded on guitar, piano and organ, but only post-war.

#9 I don't remember a bottleneck piece among Rev. Davis' prewar recordings. The only bottleneck piece I heard him play is "whistlin' blues", but that would be post war again.

Now I got a question:

10 Which guitarist is thought to have refined his guitar technique in Europe during WWI?
Is this too easy or not??

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10) - I'm sticking to Big Bill Broonzy.

(He'll have to be the answer to at least one question here !)

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BBB is not the one I thought about, think harder, my friend!! But I'll think of a question for you which has BBB as an answer if Adrian doesn't.

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# 7 unless it is a trick question, dah!, 2.

Mr.Mando, for a guitarist to be in WW1, they had to be born around the turn of the century. Without researching, someone like Tamps Red, or Mississippi John Hurt seems to fit the bill. Hmmmmm, the it may be too easy clue.....we know it's not Elvis!


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#10 Buddy boy Hawkins picked up a few tricks in Europe in ww1

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From the internet:
• Sgt. Alvin York, well known as perhaps the greatest sharpshooter in military history, was also a noted hillbilly guitarist, primarily playing spiritual music. After his feats at the Battle of the Argonne Forest (in the fall of 1918, as a member of the 82nd division, he killed 25 Germans, knocked out 35 machine guns, and captured 132 prisoners almost single-handed) York met a black American orderly known only as Son. Finding Son to be a proficient guitarist, York adapted his strumming style to include “wielding the knife,” a style wherein a small pocket knife is pulled along the strings of the guitar in an attempt to approximate the sound of the human voice. Son was later killed in a kitchen explosion, but York took this style back to his native Tennessee, where he played until his death in 1964.
• York was known for his modesty and his ability to spurn commercialization of his talents. When approached by Okeh Records in 1926 to record some of the spiritual tunes he had refined with the pocket knife style, he stated “This here guitar is not for sale.”
• During the folk blues revival in the late 1950’s, York was tracked down by John Fahey and several other students of the blues tradition. York was quoted as saying “It’s over, let’s just forget about it” when a request was made to record his haunting tunes on an LP record.
• Heard only by those that attended church services where he occasionally performed, York’s musical talent went with him to his grave.
• This entire account is almost totally fabricated, with only the sharpshooter references bearing any resemblance to the truth.


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Prof Brozman knew who I was thinking of. See how easy it was!! Even a novice to pre-war blues knew the right answer!
I see, you need a tougher one.
11) Which prewar blues singer and guitar player mentioned the names of German cities Minden and Freiburg in his most famous song?
There's a hint for Mr. Punch: It's not Big Bill Broonzy.

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Ouch! Mr. Mando, the "even a novice....", that hurt. :-)

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#1 If it was Blind Boy Fuller you have to name the song...
A not very helpfull clue: the line was recorded before Skip James did.
#5 "Kill it Kid" was first recorded by McTell in 1940 http://www.vaz1.com/bill/music/McTell/McTell_discography.html

#8: I didn't have Lonnie Johnson in mind so let's make it easier: the other keyboard instrument is not the organ.

#7: This one is tricky because the answer is in a song that was only recently discovered

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#11: King Solomon Hill aka Joe Holmes from Minden, Louisiana?

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There is a song called "Germany Blues" by, um.....what's his name.....but I don't remember Freiburg being mentioned in it. I live in Freiburg so I wouldn't forget it. I've been to Minden, it's near Hannover and has a good jazz club where I saw the guy that played the Sax on the "Pink Panther" theme but he didn't come to Freiburg. The "What's his name" that wrote "Germany Blues" is Fred McDowell. He was buried in a Gold Lamé suit that the Roling Stones bought for him. John Cephas has been to Freiburg (before I knew him)but I don't realy think he's "pre war" although he did serve in Korea. I've forgotten what the question was. Could you repeat for me ? please.

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Adrian is right. The song is "gone dead train", BTW.

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To summarize:

1) Which musician who was not from Mississippi had his best friend's girl stolen back again?
Clue: he recorded it before SKip James did "Devil Got My woman"
2) Name a minor-key blues about execution.
A: "Rope Stretching Blues" by Blind Blake
3) Name a song using the melody of "Sittin' On Top Of The World" played on a 12-string and not listed in this thread.
A: "Cold Winter Day", Blind Willie McTell

4) What is that God doesn't like?
A: Drinkin' 'shine (Blind Willie McTell)
5) What is being killed in "Kill it Kid"?

6) John Cephas wants us to mash down those strings. Who doesn't want his digger mashed down deep?
A:Bo Carter
7) How many women does Blind Joe Reynolds have?
Clue: a recent discovery and it's not 0, 2 or 3.
8) Who played two keyboard instruments and guitar?
- I messed this question up trying to be clever. It turns out that many artists of this period would have played organ and piano and guitar, e.g. Skip James, Lonnie Johnson. I should have just asked:
8bis) Who started out playing accordion and is most known for recordings where he plays guitar?

9) The first recorded bottleneck song of Rev. Gary Davis
Clue: it's not whistlin' blues
10) Which guitarist is thought to have refined his guitar technique in Europe during WWI?
A: Buddy boy Hawkins

11) Which prewar blues singer and guitar player mentioned the names of German cities Minden and Freiburg in his most famous song?
A: King Solomon Hill, "gone dead train"

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#7 Could it really be that the long searched for "99 Blues" by BJ Reynolds has finally been found?? Is this the song Adrian's giving us the clue to? Is the 99 in the title really referring to the # of women BJ had? The answer really would be 99 then? Where is this song available?

8bis) If his first instrument was the accordion, hell comes to my mind immediately. So maybe it was the "Devil's Son-In-Law", Peetie Wheetstraw.

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Yep, 99 was found and it is a good one and the answer to the question:
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You can download an mp3 of this and the B side from the collector's web site.

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I can't find any record of Peetie Wheetstraw playing guitar. He did play with: Kokomo Arnold, Charlie McCoy, Bumble Bee Slim, Casey Bill Weldon, Charley Jordan and especially Lonnie Johnson

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Didn't Leadbelly record with an accordion-like instrument?

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Wheatstraw played guitar on at least 6 tunes for Vocalion in the early 30's. One of them...Keyhole Blues is pretty close to Muddy's Gypsy Woman. Is #5 Toddy?

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Who found 99? John Tefteller?

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12) Here's a hard one

The answer to the question is:
Big Bill Broonzy

What's the question ?

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"Peetie Wheastraw was a best-selling bluesman of the thirties who recorded most of his songs on piano. SLEEPLESS NIGHTS BLUES, a guitar vehicle in the key of E, is his characteristic guitar blues demonstrating his unique style at its most frantic. Only in his lack of pattern picking does Wheatstraw's right hand take on a fully regional pattern." This is from the CD liner notes of "St. Louis Blues: 1929-1935" released on yazoo. The cover of the cd shows a pic of Wheatstraw with a style 3 national tricone. Peetie recorded 4 sides of solo guitar and vocals on Vocalion in 1932, along with SLEEPLESS NIGHTS BLUES he recorded CANT SEE BLUES, POLICE STATION BLUES and ALL ALONE BLUES. He also played guitar on one side for decca with his "blues blowers" which was released in 1934.

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Hey Adrian - Thanks for the pre-war education, and for sharing that 'lost' recording. Yes, indeed.

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You are welcome, Richard, I am learning a lot too. I am realizing that many of these musicians played multiple instruments. This makes sense since the guitar was portable but not as loud as the piano and for church the organ would be common. It's a distortion we have to think about when we hear the recordings of these artists. Not only are we hearing a fraction of their repertoire but we may never hear them playing instruments they regularly played either because they only recorded a few songs or for some they became so successful they focussed on one instrument, e.g, Lonnie Johnson and Peetie Wheatstraw.

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Yes it was Leadbelly I was thinking of for #8.

Let me clarify #5 by asking what doesBlind Willie McTell want you to do when you "Kill it Kid"?

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