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philbernstein
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posted 07-18-2003 19:36           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My copy of the "Guitar Aerobics" video has arrived. Interesting stuff -- exercises for right and left hand, well demonstrated. I'd have preferred some more information on how to organize it all, but it should be worthwhile.

Duck introduces the right hand stuff by saying that it's meant to include the "under-utilized" ring finger. And sure enough, it does. My ring finger is beyond under-utilized -- I never use it. And my sense is that while it's essential for classical playing, it's optional for fingerpicking folk and blues stuff.

On the other hand (ahem) it's always nice to have another tool in the box, so my question is this -- how many of you use the ring finger regularly. And for those who don't , do you feel that not using it holds you back?

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54merk
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posted 07-18-2003 21:06     Click Here to See the Profile for 54merk   Click Here to Email 54merk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use my ring finger. There are two camps of fingerpickers, the two finger pickers and the three finger pickers (not including the thumb) and I fall intp the latter camp. I just learned that way and never gave it a second thought.

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Rick McKeon
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posted 07-18-2003 22:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick McKeon   Click Here to Email Rick McKeon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use my ring finger to pinch 4 notes at once for a fuller sound (sometimes including the pinky too). Sometimes to pick. Merle Travis, Gary Davis, and many of the greats seemed to get by just fine (understatement) with only the thumb and index finger. Lots of flaminco playes use the RH pinky regularly. So, anything from one to all seems to work.

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Adrian Freed
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posted 07-18-2003 22:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Adrian Freed   Click Here to Email Adrian Freed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use my ring finger mainly in a quadruplet to bring out a richer chord voicing in open tunings.

I have been trying (unsuccessfully so far) to use three fingers to create some african chora like patterns freeing the thumb to pick out a melody. I am told I should go see Charlie Hunter play his 8-string...

54merk there are a lot of one finger pickers using your classification scheme too, e.g., Gary Davis.

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Corn Dog
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posted 07-19-2003 07:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Corn Dog   Click Here to Email Corn Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me, the ring finger is critical for 4 note chords use. Following Adrian's example, it's needed to get the full harmony of block chords in standard tuning.

It's also needed for chord melody playing. I don't mean this in just a jazz sense. I'm using the term to describe pulling melody lines from chord grips for any style, like the African material Adrian mentions. The ring finger is a the first to pluck out any 1st string melody notes since that would be its natural hovering string. It may be followed by the middle and index if a triplet or some other notes are needed on the same string. This would also apply to the 2nd string if the chord does not use the 1st string. This probably evolves from a classical approach I guess?

I also use my ring finger lots when hybrid picking with a flat pick.

I think using the ring finger is more likely to show up in finger picking folk and blues playing where more "pianistic" chords, that is, more altered harmonies, are used. Some good chord examples might be 7flat5, 7#9, 7flat9, and 13 constructs. Often, they've already been stripped of uncessary elements, like the 5 or the root, just to get them into a 4 tone shape. You need to hear all of the remaining tones to establish the desired harmony.

I guess what I'm saying is that anything away from triads almost requires using the ring finger, unless you're just arpeggiating or strumming. Along with Duck Baker, Woody, Steve Mann, John Renbourn, and Paul Geremia come to mind as regular ring finger users in folk and blues tunes due to their harmonic explorations outside of triads.

[This message has been edited by Corn Dog (edited July 19, 2003).]

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Dr D.
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posted 07-19-2003 10:31           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now is it just me or is it hard to pick with the ring finger while resting your pinkie on the guitar top ? And which should be sacrificed first ? And speaking of resting the pinkie, since the top vibrating seems to be essential to the sound, isn't it going to affected ?
thanks in advance for any opinion.

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boxcar mike
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posted 07-21-2003 02:44           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re ring finger:

1. Yes, I use mine, but don't find it essential. When I started, I used just thumb and index, then thumb and two. The use of nore fingers gives a fuller sound when required.

2. I sometimes rest my pinkie on the guitar to steady my hand, and dont find it affects the tone. I started off that way as I found it a help, but then got used to playing without resting on the guitar, so now i can do both.

Best wishes.

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Adrian Freed
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posted 07-21-2003 10:51     Click Here to See the Profile for Adrian Freed   Click Here to Email Adrian Freed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dr D. You are right about the pinky. Martin Simpson uses a simple alternative. He anchors his pinky on the first string (when it is not sounding of course).

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Wunderdog
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posted 07-21-2003 11:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Wunderdog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find that when playing an instrument that "needs" fingerpicks (the resonator), I just use the thumb and index finger. Can't get used to not feeling the rest of the strings through the remaining fingers with pix on. Started playing Simon and Garfunkle tunes with just thumb and index way back when. Now, most everything gets all four. Feels like less jumping around when I can leave the thumb to handle the three low strings, and each of the others (generally) gets its own finger. Pinky on the pickguard doesn't seem to bother anything tonewise, but its not there all the time. Just touch base once in a while to get grounded.

Bob

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crossrdblue
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posted 07-21-2003 15:10     Click Here to See the Profile for crossrdblue   Click Here to Email crossrdblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use my ring finger when playing bare, but not when playing with fingerpicks - i tried it at first, three finger picks, but it felt really very awkward (and they kept bumping into one another) so I dropped the ringfinger for picks. Brad.

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Dr D.
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posted 07-22-2003 06:51           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's food for thought (and practice).
Thanks everyone.
Daniel

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Baltimore Bluesman
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posted 07-22-2003 07:02     Click Here to See the Profile for Baltimore Bluesman   Click Here to Email Baltimore Bluesman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I play with a flatpick. So instead of my thumb, index and middle, I play with flatpick, middle and ring -- I pretty much have to use my ring finger. I do find it less independent than the middle finger.

I have recently begun using my pinky, which gives me a third picking finger. (So the pinky is for me, sort of like your ring finger, for those of you who play with your thumb). While I have a long way to go before I have fluent use of my pinky, I like having three fingers to play on the higher strings -- it helps with playing the first string when I play melodies.

I haven't included my pinky yet on my resonator, which I almost always use fingerpicks on. Maybe after the pinky catches up?

Sort of a hijack -- how the hell did Son House get that incredible sound out of his steel-bodied National with bare fingers?

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Guillaume
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posted 07-23-2003 00:21     Click Here to See the Profile for Guillaume     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use my ring finger more than I use my index, oddly enough. My basic travis picking pattern is Thumb-Middle-Ring, as opposed to the usual Thumb-Index-Middle... One could call it a bad habit, but it has never restricted my playing so far. Of course, when the piece requires it, I use my index, especially for 4-note chord voicing or specific note combinations.

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Tom Austin
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posted 07-23-2003 11:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Austin   Click Here to Email Tom Austin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a heavy user of index/middle right hand fingers. I would like to get that ring finger into the game more, but I DON'T want to put a fingerpick on it, and there is no callus to speak of (unlike the other two fingers).

I guess there's no solution but to build one up, but it's hard going. It ends up being easier to get a decent result using those first two fingers.

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The Devil's Advocate
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posted 07-23-2003 20:23           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Get your pinky off the pick guard
Use your pinky and ring finger together as a unit for strength. Why would you limit yourself by not having the ability to play with it, it takes a minimal amount of practice to get used to it. Or, if you insist on bracing the pinky, take a look at Martin Taylor who does it successfully while using both up and down strokes for practically every finger. He certainly hits the notes!

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