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Tom Austin
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posted 06-27-2007 10:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Austin   Click Here to Email Tom Austin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks, Tim. Great stuff.

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Gerry C
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posted 06-28-2007 04:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Gerry C   Click Here to Email Gerry C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>Anyone got a copy of the Carl Martin tab version they could send me<

Steve (and everyone else), there is a transcription of Carl Martin's Crow Jane in Woody's book/DVD The Logic of the Fretboard in his series The Art of Acoustic Blues Guitar. It's not complete - he omits the variations in the later verse and doesn't mention the fingerpops - but it's an excellent starting point for working out this great song. I learned ( = nicked!) it from Steve Phillips, who recorded it on his first album, The Best of Steve Phillips, and still plays it live on occasion. I add a few trad verses to the rather meagre three Martin recorded and it usually goes down well with audiences - if I remember to take off my thumbpick before attempting the fingerpops...

Cheerily,

Gerry C

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Tom Austin
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posted 06-28-2007 07:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Austin   Click Here to Email Tom Austin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay, just watched the Trucks clip again. Tasty. He's not doing a whole lot, but he's doing it REALLY well.


trying to figure what tuning he's in. pretty sure it's an open tuning, as his index finger is hitting 12, 7, 5 frets a lot. I don't think he's using the slide for the main riff - that's just tasty finger picking. His slide hovers two frets above the index finger most of the time, except when he cuts loose for some single-note. Meanwhile, I notice he's got the slide on the third finger and is using the pinky to fret notes.


Also notice he is laying his thumb across the bass strings for damping when he does the single-note stuff. I've not seen that before. Damping is really, really important on electric slide.

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Tim Mitchell
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posted 06-28-2007 07:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Tim Mitchell   Click Here to Email Tim Mitchell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pretty sure Derick plays almost exclusively in open E. I also love the fact that he doesnt have a huge rack of effects. Just a nice tube amp and great touch. Its nice to agree on something with you Tom ;-)

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Tom Austin
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posted 06-28-2007 07:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Austin   Click Here to Email Tom Austin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say "you suck", but that would probably ruin the moment.

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Tim Mitchell
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posted 06-28-2007 08:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Tim Mitchell   Click Here to Email Tim Mitchell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you want to hug?

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highway49
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posted 07-30-2007 20:57     Click Here to See the Profile for highway49     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sakpo:
Hey,

Old thread to bump up, eh? It's way high up on google though, if you search for "crow jane skip james," so it's not as obscure as it's age might hint to forum users.

I think the last post was onto something. Note how similiar "Crow Jane" is to "Jim Crow," the term used for the set of laws and customs that relegated African Americans in the American South to a lower caste without much social value or any political power, which could even be freely murdered by whites. I suspect there's an element of reference to that too. "Jim Crow" also originates in a traditional song too, popularized among whites by a racist vaudville blackface performer (check this for that version of the tune: http://www.berea.edu/faculty/browners/chesnutt/graphics/017.044a.001.mus.JPEG and http://www.berea.edu/faculty/browners/chesnutt/graphics/017.044a.002.mus.JPEG). Crow, of course, was written during the period following emancipation of the slaves, in which black Americans had been restripped of their rights, economically almost reenslaved, etc. It was common during slavery and afterward for slaves and freemen/freewomen to sing songs about their conditions/oppression in code, for instance, many songs about men running out on women are just as much about a slave escaping the slave labor camp ("plantation") or a sharecropper running out on his wrongly created debts as they are about a husband running out on his woman. Frequently, they literally were meant to be both about the obvious meaning (killing a lover, running away from a spouse) and the coded meaning (killing the slavemaster/land owner, running away from the plantation/rented land).

Ignoring that aspect, in my opinion, is highly naive. It's level of tragic cynicism/despair for the future is heavily underlined when you think of the coded meaning and these words

"Didn’t missed crow jane until she…
Till the day she died, till the day she…"

So, Jim Crow is done and over, and even then, are things getting worse, potentially? The end of Jim Crow means more turmoil purpose, an uncertain world, perhaps an even worse phase in history, much like "the nadir" that followed in the decades following emancipation, with epidemics of mass murder, lynching, mass rape, etc, of freed slaves and their children. Or it could be just missing what's bad for you. Or could just be added to add a morality white folk would approve of? Who knows? It confuses me, to be frank... but I'm sure the song is partially meant to be dealing with Jim Crow... even if it originates before "Jim Crow" was called that, the lyrics of such songs change with time, and even their meaning changes with new performers and audiences and events, and it couldn't have helped but absorb the "killing Jim Crow" meaning. Think about the time when Skip James recorded the standard tuning version, in the 60s... as Jim Crow was really crashing down to die... (not to say things are shiny and happy now in the South or America@Large).

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Where I am from older men in the black community use the word crow jane as a name for a dark woman- the word crow describes her skin color. It can be used as an insult or as way to describe the type of woman your looking for. Some older whites also use it but usually as an insult. Several blues songs are written about the topic of skin tone prejudices within the black community during the first half of the 20th century. I hope I have shed some light on this subject, and that no one got offended.

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highway49
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posted 07-31-2007 20:20     Click Here to See the Profile for highway49     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where Im from in Rural virgina, older men in the black community use the term "crow jane" to describe a very dark woman, and the term "Yellow jane" to decribe a very light skined black or mixed race, it can be used as a derogatory term but is usually used in to describe the kinda woman you tend to go for.The perceived advantages and disadvantages of a dark skinned and light skinned woman is the topic of many a blues jazz and even ragtime songs. I wont go any further into this for fear I may offend someone.I discusses this in another forum and got called a racist, Imagine that a white guy calling a mixed person a racist for discussing the history of words and terms used in an old folk song. I dont think that will happen at this forum though.

Rob

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