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Dennis Roger Reed Moderator Posts: 1901 From: San Clemente, CA USA Registered: Sep 2000 |
Dear Mr. Scorcese and PBS Your recent series on the blues was terrible. It’s the worse thing I’ve seen since your hack job on: Gangs of New York, Last Temptation of Christ, The Color of Money, The King of Comedy, Raging Bull, the Last Waltz, Taxi Driver, Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore and Boxcar Bertha. It’s obvious that you have no talent and no reason to be doing a show about the blues. The other directors were (nearly as bad) (even worse.) You left out: Dear Mr. Scorcese and PBS: Your recent series focused on the blues was quite good. I enjoyed the vast panorama of styles that the various directors used. I certainly did not agree with all the viewpoints or artists that were focused, but overall I thought the series was well done and presented some real value. I’d love to see you and the others return to the subject and try to incorporate: IP: Logged |
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outfidel Member ![]() Posts: 1686 From: Ridgewood, NJ Registered: Jul 2001 |
Dear Mr. Scorsese and PBS, Thank you for reminding me of the value of Vestapol Videos. Please remember not to talk when the videos are being shown -- it's very distracting. Sincerely, p.s. Kindly tell Mr. Wenders that "Lenoir" is pronounced "len-NOR" and not "len-WAH". It's an American thing. IP: Logged |
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Prof. Penisface unregistered |
First of all, that would be Ishmon or Ishman Bracey, not Ishmael, as you spelled it twice. I don't mean to be rude, but if you can't get that right, complaining about his absence from the program seems suspect, especially as he made your list of a handful of unmentioned blues artists, where literally thousands of recorded blues artists were not mentioned. Now, I hated this series, despised it with a passion, especially because of their handling of prewar blues, which is the only kind of blues that I'm crazy about (though there are other artists here and there that I like). But of all the prewar Mississippi blues people they left out, Bracey's gotta be near the bottom of the list. I mean, I like Bracey, I'm not denigrating his recordings, but I would have been happy--though my expectations were too low to expect--seeing Patton and Tommy Johnson get sufficient screen time. Bracey is not a great blues player, not a particularly important blues player and would only merit mention within the realm of prewar Mississippi blues. I hate to belabor this point, since I more or less agree with your criticisms, but pick your battles. Prewar blues was not sufficiently covered in any way whatsoever. I suppose it was the subject of Wenders' episode, and many great prewar recordings were played in Burnett's piece, but every prewar blues fan I know has been disgusted by the way everything was handled. And you seem biased against Scorsese. It's fine if you don't like his films, you're not the only one, but to say that you've seen Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas and that it's clear that he has no talent is no argument whatsoever. I've seen all those films, and it's clear to me that he does have talent. But if I was making an argument, I would explain why he has talent. Since most of the movies you mention are considered classics, why don't you tell us--and Scorsese himself, to whom you addressed your complaint--why he has no talent. Again, don't get me wrong: I have lost a lot of respect for Scorsese because of this blues series (and I think he's made some bad films), but you don't seem to be making any coherent points in your complaints. IP: Logged |
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Prof. Penisface unregistered |
Uh...sorry. I guess I only skimmed the second letter, so I sort of missed your point. Still...ISHMON Bracey. IP: Logged |
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resin8er Member ![]() Posts: 1051 From: Fair Lawn, NJ, U.S.A. Registered: Feb 2002 |
...umm, the first draft echoes my sentiments exactly, but I take pride in trying to conduct myself like a professional so I probably wouldn't sign my name to it. I've never had the heart to tell someone that they really suck. IP: Logged |
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Mike D Member ![]() Posts: 1393 From: Phx, Az Registered: Dec 2000 |
Dr. Dickface. Hang around a read the posts for a few days before posting yourself and you'll get a 'feel' for the folks around here. If you do you'll discover that DRR is an amusing sort with a clever, often sarcastic writing style.
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John B Member Posts: 1387 From: Registered: May 2000 |
I would like to point out that Ishmael Bracey was not mentioned either. Same goes for Harley Patton, Richard Johnson, Deaf Ted McTell, and countless others. I opt for the second letter. And, I'm glad that the series will likely open some eyes to this music that we all love. IP: Logged |
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Paul Norman Member ![]() Posts: 1601 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Aug 2003 |
Mr. Scorcese, In future, please give Clint Eastwood control of projects having anything to do with music. He has the proper respect for the music and musicians but does not fall into hero worship. IP: Logged |
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Dennis Roger Reed Moderator Posts: 1901 From: San Clemente, CA USA Registered: Sep 2000 |
I liked Clint's film too, but I found his constant agreement with his interview subjects ("Yeah, yeah") over their answers a bit disconcerting. Okay, I gotta go listen to some Ishmon now. IP: Logged |
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hoodadoo Member Posts: 2011 From: Westport, Ct., Registered: Mar 2001 |
If my memory serves me well, Ishman Bracey was mentioned in name only with several other names, in either the first or second segment. [This message has been edited by hoodadoo (edited October 06, 2003).] IP: Logged |
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resin8er Member ![]() Posts: 1051 From: Fair Lawn, NJ, U.S.A. Registered: Feb 2002 |
Dat spoon, dat spoon, dat spoonful. I'll graciously retract my previous post. In hindsight perhaps the series was educational for the casual music listener that doesn't really follow the blues scene all that much. Its so easy to be critical or judgemental, but like the guy from the Electric Mud band said "critics don't create anything, they just dump on the creators". I can respect that to a degree. I watched every episode and was dissapointed more than once, but there were some bright spots. Usually, the final 1/2 hour segments were the best part of the program. Oh well, these guys are filmmakers not blues historians. At least they tried. BTW: I can't wait to see Puff Daddy playing the role of Robert Johnson. IP: Logged |
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outfidel Member ![]() Posts: 1686 From: Ridgewood, NJ Registered: Jul 2001 |
> the guy from the Electric Mud band said "critics don't create anything, they just dump on the creators" That quote in particular cracked me up, because the speaker (Cosey?) neglected to mention that Muddy himself called the album "dogshit". Does that make him just another critic? It was his album, for pete's sake. IP: Logged |
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Dennis Roger Reed Moderator Posts: 1901 From: San Clemente, CA USA Registered: Sep 2000 |
It wasn't Muddy's album, it was Marshall Chess' album. Muddy liked money and wanted to tap into the sixties rock scene. From the two recent books on Muddy and Chess, it seems like he was easily led when money was promised. Think of what would've happened if the critics and more importantly the record buying public would've really like Electric Mud. Muddy's career would've been massively altered, and we would've been treated to "Muddy Sings Disco" a few years later. Thank god it didn't sell, and that Johnny Winter was able to convince Muddy to get Hard Again. IP: Logged |
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hoodadoo Member Posts: 2011 From: Westport, Ct., Registered: Mar 2001 |
There are far worse things in the world, including the music world, and guitar forums, than dogsh*t. Dennis you restated my "quote" from Sandra Tooze's book, Muddy sure did like money. Thank you! I had to change the profanity to protect the innocent [This message has been edited by hoodadoo (edited October 07, 2003).] IP: Logged |
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Craig Member Posts: 34 From: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Registered: May 2003 |
regarding resin8er's mention of Puff daddy as RJ. Hasn't that whole project been scrapped? That's what I read somewhere supposedly from someone was working on the movie. IP: Logged |
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resin8er Member ![]() Posts: 1051 From: Fair Lawn, NJ, U.S.A. Registered: Feb 2002 |
I don't know what's going on with the RJ film. I haven't heard anything. With regard to the quote from the Electric Mud band guy. I couldn't remember if those were his exact words, but it was something to that effect. Its kind of a valid point though because its so easy to be critical of others. Maybe Electric Mud was dogpoop, but some people like dogpoop and will buy dogpoop. I'm not going to dis Chuck D., but that rap stuff they were recording didn't exactly give me goose bumps. Half of the series was dogpoop and we watched it every night for a week. In my estimation we must have a certain tolerance then for dogpoop. I'm gonna go count my marbles. I think I lost a few! IP: Logged |
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