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Blind Rickie
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posted 07-16-2004 05:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind Rickie   Click Here to Email Blind Rickie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw Ian Buchanan play at the Metro...a little wine/beer bar big during the 70s in the Borough of Queens in New York City. I happened to meet my wife there, too, after I played a week there...she was a fixture in the place. My stepbrother, an excellent guitarist in his own right, studied with Ian and introduced me to his work and to him, actually. A very nice man, but very obviously melancholy at the stage that I met him. My stepbrother had actually had a lesson with Ian just a short time before he threw himself out a window for the second time. Ian had attempted suicide years before. He unfortunately, or fortunately, broke his fall on an awning. This rendered him a paraplegic and relegated him to a wheelchair for the last years of his life. The second attempt, several years later was, however, successful. Ian died, I believe, in 1973 or 1974. Hell of a player. I still play Gary Davis stuff in Ian's style, and I use "Sportin' Life Blues," Ian-style, as a warm up prior to playing before audiences. -Rick

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Pat Daley
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posted 07-16-2004 10:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Pat Daley   Click Here to Email Pat Daley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never knew what became of Ian, except that he passed away young. You must feel very lucky to have studied with him. People often ask Jorma Koukonen what it was like to study with Rev. Davis, and he corrects them and says he leaned the style from Ian Buchanan.

The CD (ahem... great CD I should say) "Gary Davis Style: The Legacy of Reverend Gary Davis" has a track by Buchanan - "Heistation Blues". Does he have other recordings you know of?

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Stefan Wirz
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posted 07-17-2004 05:16     Click Here to See the Profile for Stefan Wirz   Click Here to Email Stefan Wirz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
put together what I could find about Ian Buchanan on my Ian Buchanan discography

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Stefan Wirz
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posted 07-18-2004 23:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Stefan Wirz   Click Here to Email Stefan Wirz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just added an essay written by Harry 'Suni' McGrath 'Memories of Ian Buchanan' to my Buchanan discography. Could be interesting for those interested ;-)
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Bennett Harris
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posted 09-05-2004 19:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Bennett Harris   Click Here to Email Bennett Harris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Ian Buchanan died in 1974, then I was taking guitar lessons with a ghost when I studied Gary Davis style fingerpicking with a guy in a wheelchair in Forest Hills during the spring of 1978! I had wanted to learn Hot Tuna fingerpicking style for years, and finally found Ian through his ad in the Voice. I had no idea what his personal connection to Jorma was, and Ian never told me during the 6 week period when I went to his place and raved about the wonders of Jorma Kaukonen. Well, Ian certainly had the goods, and I only regret that my cassette tapes of our lessons are long gone. It was also the only time in my life when a private music tutor told me I was done--that I didn't need any more lessons! I perform in this fingerpicking style(and National steel slide) as much as possible in the NYC metropolitan area. Check out the schedule at www.bennettharrisblues.com
It's not note-for-note, but it ain't bad.

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Barry Wolinsky
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posted 10-15-2005 11:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry Wolinsky   Click Here to Email Barry Wolinsky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I came across this forum through Stefan Wirz's site and was delighted to see some memories of and tributes to Ian Buchanan appearing on the internet. It was also nice to see Jorma Kaukonen dedicate the Hot Tuna [Original Recording Remastered]CD to Ian several years ago.

I took lessons from Ian for two years (1972-1974). I was a mediocre student and Ian never failed to tell me at the end of each lesson to "just be a doctor," which I did. He was very patient with me and enjoyed seeing me make progress. Often he asked me to stay and "chunk out" chords for him so he could practice solos and arpeggios.

During those two years, he taught me all the Delta blues standards such as Good Morning Blues, Hesitation Blues, Cocaine Blues, Candy Man, How Long Blues, Whinin' Boy Blues, That'll Never Happen No More, etc. He was taking jazz guitar lessons at that time and taught me to read for guitar as well as some of the pieces he was studying such as The Shadow of Your Smile. Ian would play Bach inventions on his L-5 to warm up before he would start lessons. I still have those reel-to reel lesson tapes.

Ian liked the Broome Street Bar and sometimes, if his friends were over while I was taking a lesson, he would invite me to come along. I saw him perform at the Metro Bar a few times as well both solo and with some members of the Pigmeat Blues Band. He would warm up with Bach inventions the way he would in his apartment. He knew how to entertain the crowd.

I last spoke to Ian in early 1979 to let him know I was doing my residency training. He was happy to hear that I still could play the pieces he taught me and encouraged me to "sing the words" which I was always a bit shy to do. He invited me to stop by anytime. I never had the chance to do so with my residency schedule and hospital call being the way it was. I regret that.

Ian would be a bit more pleased with my guitar abilities today. I still remember and practice what he taught me frequently.

Ian was a sensitive, gifted individual who took pleasure in imparting his knowledge. I was fortunate to have had the opportunity to study under him.

Barry

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jlatner
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posted 05-13-2007 09:44     Click Here to See the Profile for jlatner   Click Here to Email jlatner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A contribution to the Ian Buchanan archives:

I went to Antioch at the same time Ian was there, entering in '57, dropping out in '59 and then returning in '61 until '63. When i was at Antioch, it was a different place than the "boot camp for the revolution" it has become. Partly a straight college where people went to study, partly a bastion of politics, the left and the right, and partly a bastion of the arts and also of misfits and the disaffected of the middle class, beats and bohemians, though there were plenty of frat boys as well. A center of the folk music scene was Ian, an adopted child (he and his brother Duck were there at the same time). Ian seemed better composed and better defined than most people there, and had, I now realize, a implacable block of depression, that was both unrecognized and immensely attractive to many, including me. He seemed unmoved by things around him, a calm port in the storm of growing up, focused on what he was about, whereas a lot of people like me were knocked about by every wind of fashion and feeling. The place was a beehive of guitar playing, in the dorms, and in the off-campus houses of married couples like Ken Jenkins. Ian was a center for blues players (like John Hammond and Jerry Kaukonen (he called himself at that time) but peripheral to the old-time music and bluegrass scene, though he flatpicked a very even and sardonic version of Sugar Hill.

Ian was a focal point for me. He was a bit of a romantic figure in Yellow Springs, with his guitar playing, his own car (a much-coveted rag-top Austin Healey 100 — he and Duck had a matched set — at a time when being a student meant you didn't have any money; I bought a '53 Chevy for $100 in '62) and the emotionally cut-off, bohemian, motorcyle-jacket manner which passed for cool in those days. Though I never was particularly friendly with him (he was a year ahead and in another dorm), I hung out around him as much as I could. He knew so much more than I did about some of the music I became interested in, notably, the blues. Really, what I learned in my 2-3 years at Antioch was to play the guitar and to know music from the oral traditions in the US and the British Isles. I learned all I could of what Ian played: there was a reel-to-reel tape circulating around the campus which I had a copy of, and I (and everyone else) eventually learned everything on it.


A few years later I was in Stockholm Sweden, playing with Tom Paley, and ran into Jerry Kaukonen's brother, Peter, who also was playing Ian's songs. By the time I saw Peter again, in '71, he'd taken Ian's music to a different level of proficiency, playing two notes to every one of mine.

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Paul Hostetter
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posted 05-13-2007 16:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Hostetter   Click Here to Email Paul Hostetter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met Ian in the early Sixties (’61 I think) when I was a teenage guitarplayer and he was still at Antioch, not far south of Detroit where I lived. I tagged along with friends to visit him in Antioch, and attended parties in Detroit and Ann Arbor basically thrown for him. He was a remarkable and striking character, the James Dean evocation being very appropriate.

His effect on the Michigan guitar-playing community was enormous, but it wasn’t just because of his technical skill as a player, prodigious as that was. It was about his musical ideas: he didn’t sound like anyone else, and he didn’t copy anyone. He was a major protégé of Gary Davis, but played few of Gary’s tunes. In other words he could, but he didn’t. Instead he’d employ parts of Gary’s and lots of other peoples’ techniques to make new ways of doing old songs. If he did a Scrapper Blackwell song, it might have fragments of Big Bill and Blind Blake in it, but it would sound nothing like Scrapper, it would sound like Ian. When he did a Jelly Roll Morton song, he’d have bit of Gary’s playing in it to suggest the piano, but he didn’t sing like anyone but Ian. His How Long Blues was distinctly his own version, and some of the songs he did, like Ramrod Daddy never were particularly traceable.

He never tried to imitate black guys. In fact I was struck by how the black artists who were still so common on the folk circuit back then uniformly regarded him as the Real Thing. When every other young white face with a guitar (like me, for instance) was clearly just a puppy or a poseur, artists like Brownie McGhee and Lightnin’ Hopkins watched Ian perform, riveted.

Ian brought Reverend Davis (or as Ian referred to him, Blind Gary) to Detroit and Ann Arbor a couple of times, which is how I was able to meet the old guy and take some lessons with him. Ian was thrilled to have me watch the Rev all day and make sure he got to meals and workshops on time at the Ann Arbor Folk Festival, so he could go about his business. And I got Davis for days on end in exchange. Wow! Davis described Ian as the best student he ever had, ahead of Blind Boy Fuller, which was quite a pronouncement.

I have always felt it was unfortunate that we never got a decent recording out of that era. The closest was the lone Winin’ Boy track on the Blues Project, which just didn’t do him justice.

I also met Harold “Sonny Boy” McGrath (as he then called himself) at around the same time. He was hitchhiking hither and thither with his then-wife Gretchen, playing a Gibson 12-string using three (count ‘em: 3) fingerpicks plus a thumbpick. Like many others, Suni was under Ian’s spell.

The last time I saw Ian was in the spring of 1963, he’d come up from Antioch to Joe Fava’s music studio in Detroit to take delivery on a new Manuel Velazquez classical guitar that his wife had bought him as a graduation present. It was his intent at that time to concentrate on classical guitar. A month or so later I moved to Colorado and completely lost touch. But his effect on my musical perspectives still remains large.

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jlatner
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posted 05-14-2007 13:08     Click Here to See the Profile for jlatner   Click Here to Email jlatner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if this is the right place for this topic, but it comes up after hearing the Gary Davis Style CD recently. It seems to me that people who play traditional music try to learn the notes and picking techniques. They don't think about tailoring their voices to the original ethos of the music, just their fingers. Paul Hostetter who posted just ahead of me mentions that Ian didn't try to sound black, and that's true, but it suggests several things to me. One is that nearly all the people who play Davis’s music are white. Another is how far away from Gary Davis it left Ian that he didn't try to sing black.

And why didn't he? Davis was a remarkable man making remarkable music, and one of the ways his music was remarkable was the way he testified with his music-making. It was the playing of a joyous, fulfilled believer. He had the free-ness in his composing, playing and singing that often characterizes black musicians and does not characterize white musicians. If you've ever tried to sing black, or to sing Davis's songs the way he sang them (the way we try to play his songs as he played them) you run right up against the limitations of your voice's capacities. I hope I don't need to belabor this, but what I find for myself is that (Davis, and Ray Charles are the outstanding examples here for me) I can't give my voice the rich fullness and liberated color and character that Davis has. I know he sang for years on the street, but while that does something, it's not what I'm talking about.

My point here is NOT that I can't sing like Davis, It's that players who are into his music don't think that singing it with his manner is part of his music, just like the guitar notes are. That aforementioned CD has only a couple of examples of performers who succeed in sounding black, and even of approaching the freedom of expression Davis had.

I know some people don't think sounding black or sounding like a country person is important. Pete Seeger is famously scornful (and maybe a bit defensive) about people singing as well as playing the music of the people the way the people did it. But I don't see a similar interest or fervor among musicians to learn to sing the songs in the way they were sung. I work very hard at it, and have special training to do so, and a lifelong interest in it. And I see some musicians (Maria Muldaur, on the CD, isn't the only one, but she's a longtime instance of one) who devote themselves to that art. She's a singer, and maybe that's part of the answer right there. That’s been a big part of John Hammond’s distinctive approach as well.

I ask myself why not, and I'm thinking maybe this is a good forum to bat this around. Is it a racial thing? Or personally threatening in some way. I say racial because black music has been appropriated by whites for a long time. We don't like to think we're doing that, since (I don't think I'm presuming here) we feel probably more allied with African Americans than most people are. But maybe we use what we can use without changing ourselves very much. Singing like a black man is very different than playing like one.

I play a lot of old time country music, and the same thing is true there. Some musicians affect a country accent, some just drop a few g's and get a bit nasal, but I don't know anyone who has tried a full blown southern or mountain or western accent, except for bluegrass players who are singing a kind of streamlined accent anyway.

In both cases, you're felt to know the song when you know the words and the tune and can play it, even if you still sound like you're from the Queens where you were born.
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TheNewDeal
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posted 05-14-2007 15:34     Click Here to See the Profile for TheNewDeal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure you'll get many interesting responses on that subject.
As far as I'm concerned,sing and play for me with raw emotion and conviction in any shade of color.
That works for me.

TheNewDeal.....like Ian, I'm another Cafe Bizarre expatriate.

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Stu Alt
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I don't think it's a racial thing at all. There is just as much diversity among white vocalists as there is among black. I don't try to sound like Elvis either.

I wouldn't want to sing like Gary Davis, Charlie Patton or Willie Johnson anyway. I love their playing, but don't particularly care for a steady diet of their vocals.

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jlatner
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posted 05-16-2007 11:19     Click Here to See the Profile for jlatner   Click Here to Email jlatner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been listening to a lot of "early music," classical musicians rethinking how they play music written many hundreds of years ago. They've concluded that the way players express themselves depends on what they think is expressive: for the Romantic era and the modern one, abrupt changes stops and starts and vibrato, and exaggerated changes in volume, expressed depth of feeling. This is still mainstream classical music: play it the way it was played 100 years ago, even if the music is 300 years old. In older times, it was bearing down on a string, or complicated ornamentation, like trills, or leaving out vibrato.

Our raw emotion isn't the same as black musicians. (Our outrage, our joy, our release isn't the same. Their lives and their context isn't the same.)

To me, Ian's playing was compelling because his voice was matter of fact, kind of lifeless, almost tuneless,yet you had to listen. He didn't have any pretense about him (motorcycle jacket or no) and somehow you got the whole man, whatever he could muster.

Joel

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jlatner
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posted 05-16-2007 11:25     Click Here to See the Profile for jlatner   Click Here to Email jlatner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an vinyl of Ian and his band, Pigmeat Blues Band (the name of the album as well) in mint condition, and I'll give to whoever would like it, if they make a CD from it and give me the CD.

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Paul Hostetter
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Joel - I'm interested and capable. Please contact me off-list - your contact info is all blocked otherwise I'd have written you offlist already.
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raggyblues
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posted 05-17-2007 12:12     Click Here to See the Profile for raggyblues   Click Here to Email raggyblues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd love to be able to get a copy of that newly burned CD, too. I have opened my profile to allow my email address to be viewed. I'd be happy to pick up any costs incurred.

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Paul Hostetter
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posted 05-18-2007 13:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Hostetter   Click Here to Email Paul Hostetter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your email is still blocked. Use my website link and send me an email through there.
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Stefan Wirz
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posted 01-22-2008 08:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Stefan Wirz   Click Here to Email Stefan Wirz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been informed that there's a 4 CD box set due out shortly:

Ian Buchanan: Too Close to Heaven
A Retrospective Collection, 1957-1982

More info (no track list yet) at http://www.windingboy.com

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