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Bob Brozman
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posted 10-02-2004 18:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Brozman   Click Here to Email Bob Brozman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Resin8tor--Sorry, I thought this was an open forum, I did not realize I could not respond to something written in a post that does not address me. No offense intended. I will never get personal on the forum, just opinionated!

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AZLBRAX
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resin8er-

Okay: I'm busted. Actually, I've been posing as Bob Brozman for weeks now. All the nasty posts...complete with cussing...are mine! The nice, warm-n-cuddly G-rated posts are his.

I'm sooooo ashamed.

But, I'm glad I could clear this up...finally! This has been such a weight upon me. You have no idea!


Ian/ Bob,
Just A Schizophrenic And So Am I

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Bob Brozman
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posted 10-02-2004 19:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Brozman   Click Here to Email Bob Brozman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw, fuck it, we broke the fuckin record already. Time to start a new thread.

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No offense taken here! I'm actually quite surprised that a non-musical thread has progressed this far without erupting into a flame war. Aside from the name calling and cursing, which I consider to be a little childish, it's made for some very interesting reading and has me laughing harder than the Sunday morning comic strips.

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AZLBRAX
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And, resin8tor-

Those last 2 posts from "Brozman" are mine, too! Notice the saracasm in the first and the cuss-words in the second.

The REAL Bob Brozman would never post such nastiness!

So, from now on, you'll always be able to tell the genuine stuff from my counterfeits.

The REAL Brozman is MUCH nicer than I!!!


Bob Brozman


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BluYanqui
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Tom,

Actually, the insurgency really didn't start up for quite awhile after. Another problem that is not exactly being addressed in Iraq is the huge flood of money, weapons and bodies from the surrounding countries which are using Iraq to further their own agendas. When you really look at this, we are fighting at least three countries in that region simultaneously due to all the outside influence being brought into the mix while we try to stabilize the country so we can get out.

Secondly, you are still bringing a Western, passive view to a cultural that would view you as an effeminate fop due mostly to your gentle nature. Remember this is a culture where men are men, and women are housekeepers and breeders. I didn't create the culture, I'm just stating the facts that we are left to deal with as a country at war with these folks. Remember also that from day 1 we have never had an offer of negotiations from any of these groups no matter how dire their situation became. They either fight, run or die.....never have you seen them offer to sit down and work out any sort of peaceful resolution. Why? They aren't interested. They are determined to either kill us, or die, so that they can continue to rule the area in whatever primitive fashion they deem worthy. Add to this those few who are hardcore believers that we are blue eyed infidels who are only worthy of a disgusting death and you have a group of fairly rabid men, and women now judging from the latest female suicide bombers, who would rather kill themselves then even talk to you. Our civilized views and methods are viewed as nothing more than more manifestations of an evil and decadent Western lifestyle which they view as a spiritual abomination.............B. Ryan

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AZLBRAX
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"Name calling"???

"Cursing"???

Who-the-fuck are you tawking at, punk???


Bob Brozman
(No, really: it's me...not Assholebrax!)


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BluYanqui
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I have just noticed that Bob Brozman's post count hasn't changed after roughly half a dozen posts. Someone is engaging in some really childish behavior...........................B. Ryan

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Steinar Gregertsen
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posted 10-02-2004 19:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Steinar Gregertsen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BluYanqui:
Remember this is a culture where men are men, and women are housekeepers and breeders.

You mean Texas?

Steinar

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AZLBRAX
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And while I'm at it:

I want to urge all of you to donate some money to the "Send Azlbrax To A Retirement Home" fund.

Please make all checks payable to "Ian Bruce-Douglas"...not to me!

It's the least we can do for a fine old musician, like him, who has slipped into Terminal Senility...

...and someone's gotta feed his kitties!

Bob Brozman,
The One & Original


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AZLBRAX
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BluYanqui-

I gotta ask you:

Do you have no sense of the absurd???


Ian,
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f-grade
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posted 10-02-2004 20:27     Click Here to See the Profile for f-grade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
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Originally posted by BluYanqui:
Remember this is a culture where men are men, and women are housekeepers and breeders.
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Actually in secular Saddam-dominated Iraq, women were doctors, lawyers, scientists, professors,
etc.

They could drive, were not forced to wear head coverings & could own property. That was a much better deal than the rest of the region.

Women's rights in Saudi Arabia are pretty bad, but of course we can't "liberate" them, because it would negatively impact the Bush/Carlisle Group portfolio.

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John B
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posted 10-02-2004 21:22     Click Here to See the Profile for John B   Click Here to Email John B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob (?) Ryan,

You'll notice that as we post, our total post count goes up for all of our posts - yours don't appear to be changing either!

John B (ushouse)

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BluYanqui
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OK guys, I noticed that a little while later and was hoping you all wouldn't comment. Thanks for shaming me in public.....good one. And Ian, as far as having a sense of the absurd??....I'm a guitarist aren't I???........................................B. Ryan

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Leo Stepanek
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posted 10-03-2004 03:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo Stepanek   Click Here to Email Leo Stepanek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, just not on the forum for two days and this has evoved into a mega-thread. I took the time to read it all and was horrified by the cruel part of Azlbrax's opinions. I'm definitely with Steiar here, simply knowing that "the western world" would be outnumbered by the contrahents generated by such behaviour.
BluYanqui's posts caused some head-shaking too. Almost incredible how self-securely he provides the forum with fake facts. Some of them have already been set straight. Some things that seem rather important to me are the facts that
A) the islamic world in general has nothing to do with primitivism. What's considered as the ultimate weakness, therefore, is the intellectual weakness. It certainly doesn't help the US to have a president who's considered to be a fool throughout the whole world.
B) The role of China as BluYanqui (and George W) suggest would certainly be considered as an action along the lines of: "Ever since then, this "use them for what their worth, then throw them to the wolves" thing has been standard procedure for how the west has dealt with these people.", as Steinar called it.

Things are not as simple as you might think they are.

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frank de franceschi
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BluYanqui, a few posts ago I wrote some numbers, and they referred to (should I say) casualties!

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Bob Brozman
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posted 10-03-2004 04:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Brozman   Click Here to Email Bob Brozman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, OK, anybody who wants to be me has to then pay all my bills............and handle my workload.

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MrCrump
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I've no more of a solution to all the present mess than anyone else, but it seems to me that as Steinar mentioned in one of his posts, the key must be to encouraging the 'moderate/progressive' members of the Islamic faith to become ever more active in sorting out the Jihadists who use the umbrella of the faith to hide under; my view is that historically, Islam needs to undergo the process of reform that happened to Christianity in Europe many hundreds of years ago, whereby the absolutist domination of the church leaders can be replaced with greater autonomy/individual freedom of thought of the faith's adherents.

So, if we were to focus more on encouraging this process in a generous & compassionate way, maybe eventually (it's gonna take a while) the Jihadists will come to be perceived as irrelevant as are most religious fundamentalists; meanwhile, we have to muddle thru this difficult time taking the necessary (but no more than that) steps for self-preservation, & that WOULDN'T include AZL's horrific strategy. Being perceived by the majority of Islamists to be intelligent & compassionate seems crucial to me in all this, hence my hope that that Kerry (as the lesser of two evils) gets in.

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I just don't understand anything more ...
:-(

HotDog

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quote:
Originally posted by MrCrump:
Islam needs to undergo the process of reform that happened to Christianity in Europe many hundreds of years ago,

Definitely. An interesting point is that Islam is aprox 700 years younger than Christianity, and what were we up to in the 1300s? I believe the current rise of the fundamentalists is not only a fight against 'the West' but also a sign of an ongoing struggle within Islam,- a way to strengthen their internal position and recruit followers by showing themselves as "strong leaders against the evil forces". Sounds familiar?
If not, then read this article in The New York Times, it's about a DVD ("Faith In The White House") that is to be released one of these days. It is made by members of the so-called "Christian Right" and is meant to be an 'answer' to "Fahrenheit 9/11" and support Bush. This is scary stuff......

Steinar

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Speaking only for myself, it was when I finally let go of the religious brainwashing I had been subjected to for the first 16 years of my Life and started to sense the inner-connectedness of EVERYTHING, without some self-serving "religious" leader, claiming to speak for "God" (who seems more like a petulant reflection of Man than anything else!), that I began to sense my infinitesimally insignificant part of the Big Picture.

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Steiner,

Thanks for the NY Times article. Frightening. I may have to order a copy of the DVD to pass on to my friends who don't believe home-grown fundamentalism is truly dangerous.

Times have changed. I wonder what the original George W. would think of the current one.


Then

The Treaty of Tripoli

On 4 November 1796, near the end of George Washington's second term, it was written into law & passed unanimously by the U.S Senate:

"As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion..."

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/buckner_tripoli.html


The Godless Constitution

The word "God" does not appear within the text of the Constitution of the United States. After spending three-and-a-half months debating and negotiating about what should go into the document that would govern the land, the framers drafted a constitution that is secular.


Now

George W. Bush has circumvented the legal process to appoint, during a Congressional recess, right wing judicial activist William Pryor to the U.S. Court of Appeals.

Quotes from Pryor:

“…The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States are rooted in a Christian perspective of the nature of government and the nature of man. The challenge of the next millennium will be to preserve the American experiment by restoring its Christian perspective.”

At a public rally on behalf of a judge who was sued for praying and displaying the 10 Commandments in court, Pryor announced, 'God has chosen, through his son Jesus Christ, this time and this place for all Christians...to save our country and save our courts.'"

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=10944


The Texas Republican Party Platform, 2002:
"Our Party pledges to do everything within its power to dispel the myth of separation of church and state."

Tom Delay, House Majority leader, speaking at a luncheon for Congressional staff in July, 2001 called the Faith Based Initiative a way of:

"standing up and rebuking this notion of separation of church and state that has been imposed upon us over the last 40 or 50 years."
http://www.theocracywatch.org/separation_church_state2.htm


Bush describes himself as a "messenger" of God who is doing "the Lord's will."
Bob Woodward, "Plan of Attack".


For more fun facts, & some lovely photographs:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/bush2.htm

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quote:

"And Ian, as far as having a sense of the absurd??....I'm a guitarist aren't I???"



Aaaaaaaah I seeeeeeee: a fellow member of The Brotherhood Of The Purposely Absurd!!!

Quick: gimme the secret handshake...

...and the check for your dues.


Ian,
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quote:

"OK, OK, anybody who wants to be me has to then pay all my bills............and handle my workload"



Oh gaaaawd! Not the dreaded Road again! Not touring ad infinitum!!!

Never again!!!

Noooooooooooo!!!


Okay, Bob: you win! I'll be good.


Ian,
Once, Bob's Evil Twin

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Leo,

My comments were not made in reference to the ISLAMIC people of the region, the true Muslim, but rather the JIHADIST, to use Ian's chosen term, in reference to a group of creatures dwelling in the region who are using the Islamic faith as a thin veneer to justify criminal conduct. Since these men are nothing but murderous bullies with few redeeming qualities, I think the term "primitive" might also qualify. Of course that was your choice of words, not mine.

As far as the matter with the Chinese aiding in talks with the N. Koreans, that would seem the most logical step to both dealing with the nuclear problem in Korea, and improving relations with the Chinese and the world community, since we wouldn't be guilty of the charge of "going it alone" again by the "world community". And to jump to the conclusion that it would be a "use 'em and lose 'em" plot by this country is baseless since I've yet to meet a really good prognosticator on this forum or in this world, so to suggest anything other then a legitimate goal of diplomatic strategy is jumping to conclusions.

Maybe I'm not wording myself properly..............................B. Ryan

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In case you are not already aware of it, you might be interested to know about the pending legislation in the house and senate (twin bills: HR 163 and S89) which, if passed, will activate the Selective Service system that has been dormant for several decades. All men and women between the ages of 18 and 26 will be affected. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the upcoming elections. Among other things, this proposed plan eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. There is also a proposed agreement with Canada to no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within its borders.

This legislation is called HR 163 and can be examined in detail at this website:
http://thomas.loc.gov/. Just type "HR 163" where it says "Bill Number" and click the Search button to view the bill.

If you are opposed to the draft, you can write your congressman and let him know how you feel about this legislation:

www.house.gov
www.senate.gov

You can also contact your representatives and inquire as to why they are not informing their constituents about this bill, or write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they are not covering this important story.

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HR 163 is not sponsored nor supported by the Administration. It is sponsored by the Democrats and Charlie Rangel in particular. The current Administration is happy with the existing military enrollment system and has more than enough volunteers to meet the requirements.

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Originally posted by PiedmontBlues:
You can also contact your representatives and inquire as to why they are not informing their constituents about this bill, or write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they are not covering this important story.


This is just another example of the dirty politics being used by the republicans AND the democrats. The reason the liberal media hasn't covered it (the conservative media was all over it from what I've seen) is because to do so would be to inform voters that it is in fact the democrats (Charlie Rangel as George pointed out) who are responsible for it in "protest of the Iraq war" - it better serves their purposes to employ their current tactic of sending emails, etc. to college students, parents and others who would be affected, and simply point to the bill's existence as a "see, I'm telling the truth", and not get into who is really behind it or the fact that it has no support whatsoever, from dems or cons. (I was hoping to let this thread die peacefully, but this draft tactic is one of the many things that both sides do that really pisses me off)

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It's a Republican dirty tactic being used by the Dems and I think it's great.
Rich kids gotta go too.

If there is a liberal media they have been liberally kissing this administration's ass for the last 4 years.
Remember those Pentagon briefings w/ Rumsfeld ?
They sat there terrified and ineffective.

Now Rummy can't tell the diff between Osama and Saddam.
He used "Saddam" in place of "Osama" about 4 or 5 times in a recent speech.

BTW, what do you mean we've got enough troops ? That's what Rummy and Cheney said and they were actually short by about 100,000 in Iraq.

Once again I will ask : I thought the conservatives were supposed to be good at the "war" thing ?

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I don't recall saying anything about having enough troops. I assume your inference suggests you disagree with the number of troops there are in Iraq. What I said was, there more than enough volunteers to meet the current requirements and existing thresholds set for all military branches. Furthermore, it has been confirmed that if the current adminstration were to propose increasing those thresholds, there are still sufficient volunteers available.

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What Liberal Media?

The Media is only as Liberal as the Multinational Corporations that own it.

General Electric, one of the countries' largest military contractors, owns CBS. The only thing Left Wing about them is the wing they build on weapons.

Viacom owns NBC. The head of Viacom is Sumner Redstone, a known Bushite.

Disney, the company that funded & then refused to distribute “Fahrenheit 911”, owns ABC.

They are also one of the largest landowners & employers in Florida, a state run by the Bushes.

If Fox News were any more Right Wing, the entire country would tip over.

I don't remember so-called "liberal" CNN, owned by that massive Multinational Corporation AOL-Time Warner, doing any real investigative journalism questioning the rush to war.

Radio? Please. The dominant player, Clear Channel, is very conservative, to the point that they censor political content of what is played, and if you speak your mind, you get "Dixie Chicked".

I won't even get started on talk radio.

The myth of the Liberal media is a based on a model that is decades old. Journalism used to be a working-class profession, & thus journalists tended to have working class, democratic values. This is not true anymore. The majority of news producers & editors are quite conservative & the flow of information is bought & paid for.


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Point well taken, but GE owns NBC and Viacom owns CBS.

In the "old days" journalists used to get fired for making errors like that ...

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ooops. You are correct sir. I guess I was thinking about Letterman insulting GE execs back when he was on NBC.

Good thing I'm just a rabble-rouser & not a journalist. I guess I'll have to fire myself.

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