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2066then
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posted 02-03-2005 08:01     Click Here to See the Profile for 2066then   Click Here to Email 2066then     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know if/when Johnny Winter will tour in 2005? I checked the "official" website and it's still full of information about the 2004 tour in support of the "I'm a Bluesman" release.

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Michael Segui
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posted 02-03-2005 18:32     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Segui   Click Here to Email Michael Segui     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you seen him recently? I saw him last April. I was shocked at his condition.
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posted 02-03-2005 18:38     Click Here to See the Profile for jebluesdog   Click Here to Email jebluesdog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please don't tell me that.

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Michael Segui
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posted 02-03-2005 20:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Segui   Click Here to Email Michael Segui     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was pretty bad. He is almost completely blind now, I hardly recognized him (and he is a tattooed albino), his hands shook like crazy and he only played slide for one song on his encore. On a few songs his playing was off because he was playing blind. The band he was playing with was kinda cheesy IMHO (lots of posuer facial expressions and moves) and it seemed like he had some people around him that were parasitic. I was depressed for days afterwards.
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posted 02-03-2005 20:21     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimo   Click Here to Email eskimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to confirm the above but some friends that had seen him a number of times in the last 15 years or so said the last time they saw him (2004) was pretty scary. They also noticed the entourage. There was also talk going around that he wasn't exactly in charge of his deal and the two ways I heard it were either "they have damn near kidnapped him" and less dramatic, "he really doesn't want to be on the road".

I hope neither is true. He deserves a lot better.

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posted 02-03-2005 21:43     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kampmann   Click Here to Email David Kampmann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This does not sound good. Back in the day, I got a lot out of his Alligator records, mostly "Third Degree". I wish him better times.

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posted 02-03-2005 22:53     Click Here to See the Profile for AZLBRAX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


I'm sorry to hear that about Johnny. The few times I hung out with him...including riding around in my car, to score an ounce of hash at 2 AM, after one of his Boston-area gigs, he was on top of his game. Very nice, funny, down-to-earth person, actually. Some of his backup band had a helluva lot more shitty "attitude" than he did.

However, unfortunately, a frequent side-effect of albinism is eventual blindness...so I can't say I'm surprised. As for the parasites: yeah, they're always looking for "stars" to feed upon...and sometimes, when one is spiraling downward, they can be a superficial "comfort". I'm glad he's still capable of drawing groupies, actually! Good for him.

Considering his REAL health problems, I think it would be cruel for y'all to be too judgmental.

At least the poor guy is still touring...whether he really wants to or not (I can relate!) and, perhaps, you could take a kinder approach and note that he didn't play TOO badly...for a friggin' near-blind man! (There is something about a bunch of hobbyist musicians ragging on The Real Deal I find kind of offensive, actually! I wonder how well YOU would do, in his shoes!)

Compassion: try it! You'll like it!


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posted 02-03-2005 23:05     Click Here to See the Profile for oud   Click Here to Email oud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeing Johnny Winter in this condition is like watching the present day Muhamad Ali............it's time to let go Mr Winter,thanks for the memories

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posted 02-04-2005 03:33     Click Here to See the Profile for mrmuzikhead   Click Here to Email mrmuzikhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto on the above, I saw him about 4 years ago and had to walk out. I couldn't watch it. I can't imagine it now. I think he can stop now, he's given us plenty.

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posted 02-04-2005 04:01     Click Here to See the Profile for jvesey   Click Here to Email jvesey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Johnny's been living the hard life for a long time. I remember he did an interview for my college radio station in Boston back in '77. He played the Paradise and then sat backstage for the interview while drinking from several bottles of Blue Nun (Yuck!). His eyes rolled back in his head and he fell off his chair after about 45 minutes. Everyone was quickly wisked out of the room with an abrupt "Ok fellas, interviews over!". No kidding.

Johnny was always one of my hero's. Still is, although all reports are that he but a shell of the player he was. He was one of the few players from the 60's that never strayed very far from his roots. He was absolutely on fire with the Johnny Winter And. I wish there were more live recording of him and Derringer together. I think they are probably the most overlooked guitar duo of that era.

Johhny was probably the first guy I ever saw weild a National. And unlike many who couldn't keep them in tune (Keith on the Gimme Shelter DVD?) he KNEW what to do with it. Although he hasn't done too many acoustic tracks over the years, they are great and essential recordings.

The last time I saw him was at the "BobFest" at the Garden around 1994. He still had it all. He played Highway 61 and tore the place down. Most of the guys were well past their prime. JW smoked. AND, when they did the big guitar solo trade offs at the end . . . . . . .Johnny soloed over everyone else. Haaaaa! Johnny could solo for twenty minutes and not get repetitive.

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posted 02-04-2005 04:16     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Jacobs   Click Here to Email Scott Jacobs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AZLBRAX:


Considering his REAL health problems, I think it would be cruel for y'all to be too judgmental.

At least the poor guy is still touring...whether he really wants to or not (I can relate!) and, perhaps, you could take a kinder approach and note that he didn't play TOO badly...for a friggin' near-blind man! (There is something about a bunch of hobbyist musicians ragging on The Real Deal I find kind of offensive, actually! I wonder how well YOU would do, in his shoes!)

Compassion: try it! You'll like it!


Ian,
Only Compassionate When It's Deserved


I'm with Azlbrax on this one. (Never thought I'd say that!) Thanks, Ian.

No need for presumptuous speculation on internet message boards as Johnny's recent health problems have been well documented in various music publications including several recent interviews.

As a long time fan Johnny will always have my support.

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posted 02-04-2005 06:36     Click Here to See the Profile for bcw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
right on azlbrax.

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MikeST
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posted 02-04-2005 06:44     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeST   Click Here to Email MikeST     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not being judgemental, and I realize he has some major REAL health problems.
I love Johnny. I've seen him on just about every tour for the last 10 years.
And yes, this last one was a sad one.
He barely moved around and his playing was really bad.
I love Johnny , but it really was hard to watch.
I thought his band didn't fit him at all...which is another story.

It was just sad.
The guy has given us all such great stuff over the years, and the whole show felt like someone was propping him up in front to squeez some more shows out of him.
It was real uncomfortable. And almost everyone there was hard-core Johnny fan.
I genuinely felt sorry for him.

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Michael Segui
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posted 02-04-2005 07:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Segui   Click Here to Email Michael Segui     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MikeST,
I agree with you 100%.

AZL,
I don't think I was being judgemental regarding his health problems. You're right... he still plays 1000 times better then I ever will. His slide playing was still fine, which is why I was surprised that he only played one song on slide.

It was the shock of seeing him in that state (as the last time I saw him he wasn't in that condition) coupled with the cheese-ola backing band and the parasitic hangers-on that disturbed me. If it was just Johnny by himself on his Gibson Firebird and a National, it would have been bliss. Just thinking of those parasites gets me upset. There should be someone there to help him like he helped Muddy in Muddy's latter days. A shame.

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Tom Austin
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posted 02-04-2005 07:15     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Austin   Click Here to Email Tom Austin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw Johnny last October.


Ditto on the health problems. Can barely see, had to sit down through the set, only played slide on the encore.


But the band was tight, if a tad generic. I thought the harp player was really good. Don't know about the entourage.

and Johnny's playing was fine. Pretty straight up the middle electric blues, but that's artistic decision and not failing health.

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posted 02-04-2005 07:26     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeST   Click Here to Email MikeST     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly.
I saw him in Grand Rapids about 10 years ago. He had his old band.
My friend Kenny on Keyboards.
This bass player I can't remember , but the guy was total In-your-face loud.
The whole band was super loud and super tight. Best blues rock I had seen in years.
Johnny was so on it was scary. From the second he stepped out, it was amazing.

Seeing him this summer was like watching a fighter that had stayed in the ring for too many years .
It was reall sad, especially for a die-hard fan like me.

If I was in his position, maybe I would be the same.
I can't imaging how hard it is for any entertainer or sports figure for that matter ...to give it up or even to cut back when your skills are going. Playing in front of people has to be the ultimate high and rush.Especially at Johnnys level for all these years.

There are some very fortunate people who play great right up till the day they leave us.
I saw BB king a while back.
Diabetic... sat on a chair the whole show. But played better than I had ever heard him.
My friend Albert collins had cancer so bad the last year of his life, but his playing remained strong.
It has to be really hard when your whole life and identity is based on finger skill and co-ordination, and those skills start to erode. I can't imagine.


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posted 02-04-2005 08:12     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ian. thank you for the reality check. sam

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I don't think Johnny's playing has been effected by his vision. As I remember he's been legally blind since the sixties. I remember in his hey day it was an issue because he would get beaned by beach balls and debris during those big stadium tours. He couldn't see what was coming at him! Albino's have real vision problems and are sensitive to bright light. Put a guitar in your hands and stand on a stage with Kleigs shining at you and it's almost impossible to see a thing. (If you are curious about it check out the site for Pediatric Visual Diagnosis Fact Sheet, http://www.blindbabies.org/factsheet_albinism.htm)

I believe that Johnny's sitting during performance began after he had hip surgery. Howoever, he seems to be suffering from other afflications of late.

He also is still fighting a court battle over a cancelled tour of Germany a few years back.

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posted 02-05-2005 18:26     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnyBB   Click Here to Email JohnyBB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks ok to me. Just old and blind. Sounds right for the blues
http://www.johnnywinter.net/gallery.html

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quote:
Originally posted by JohnyBB:
Just old and blind. Sounds right for the blues

But perhaps it doesn't feel quite right for Winter.........

Steinar

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Michael Segui
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posted 02-06-2005 08:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Segui   Click Here to Email Michael Segui     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The old and blind part was fine. It was the band and hangers-on.
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posted 02-06-2005 09:07     Click Here to See the Profile for 2066then   Click Here to Email 2066then     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. And all I wanted to know was whether anyone knew the places & dates,
if any, for a 2005 JW tour. It seems I've lost touch with his situation,
had no idea all that's going on with him. I had the great fortune of meeting
Johnny W. in 1988, in Chicago at a little hole-in-the-wall "vintage" instrument
and movie poster shop located in the Rogers Park neighborhood. A long-time friend
owns the shop, one Noel Dean Schiff. Noel, operating under the moniker "Chicago
Slim", was/is a great harp (harmonica!) player who rambled with Stu Ramsey in the
mid and late 60s during the so-called blues revival. Between 1985 and 1990 I had
the opportunity to meet & play with several of Noel's mates from the 60s scene,
including Johnny Winter. Even then, some 20 years ago, he was basically blind, I
remember this chiefly because Noel had in the shop 2-3 vintage pinball machines
we'd play, and that Johnny said he loved pinball but could no longer see the ball.
But blindness did not hinder his performance: his playing was tremendous, and when
he and Noel traded licks in an impromptu Broke Down Engine in the shop, oh man! It
was summer, very, very hot & humid, the room oozed with sliding steel, harp and
those strange, reptilian tattoos.

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