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Scott Jacobs
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posted 07-15-2005 16:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Jacobs   Click Here to Email Scott Jacobs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quero o cervejeria, por favor!

Well, almost no one speaks English here. How refreshing! Every one should be required to spend time where no one else speaks their language. And yet it really has been quite easy to get around and find what we want. Almost every time that we´ve ordered two beers, which is often, we are delivered three. Three really is the new two.

The night before last we stopped for beers and bad service at Garota de Ipanema and admired pictures of Jobim and Moraes with Heloisa Pinheiro. Yesterday we walked down Copacabana Beach and had lunch at the famous Copacabana Palace Hotel before taking the cable cars to the top of Sugarloaf. Today we hiked up to the top of Corcovado and dined on Granola bars and Skol cerveja.

Tomorrow we head for Brasilia. More later...

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Ok, let's get down to the important thing here.... Brazil has the most naturally beautiful, sweet, and exotic women on this planet (IMO). If that's not inspiration for the amazing music that Brazil has gifted to us, then I don't know what is.

Time for a cold shower....

Are you spending any time in the northern part of the country, Bahia?


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Scott, who is "we?"

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Phangeaux
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Edited to say that I didn't correct any typos- not stupid, just make a few typos and not interested in correcting them- or maybe I shall, since I am here

When I was in Rio, practically every Brazillian I met spoke better English than I did, LOL. (at least in the cities) That was embarassing when they asked me to come and teach conversational English at the Yazeege language schools. That is when you just converse with the students. Since Portuguese is not recognized by the UN as one of the 5 International Languages, they teach secondary languages (secondary to their national language which is Portuguese) in the school system from an early age- usually Spanish, English, French, about in that order, then Chinese or Russian. Those are the 5 International Languages.

I walked up to Corcovado (from the bottom of Santa Theresa Canyon) one night, dressed in white and up near the top just past that high bridge I was singing, Oh Darlin' the John Lennon song- best singing performance I ever did. Really loud too, I'd like to duplicate that performance again someday.

It sounds like you are in a hurry, that's too bad or I could possibly direct you to something of interest, some out of the way places perhaps, beautiful places where jewelled streams paint pictures of angels, cosmic places, maybe even some ETs and a space ship ride. Those are secrets, like the Ancient Pyramids of Egypt have those little keyways into the stars.

On the way to Brasilia you'll see some neat anthills, not much in Brasilia when I was there- shoe-boxes architecture. I had alot of adventures down there, pretty exciting, international intrigue and spy stuff.

Anyhow, so whatcha doin' down there? I didn't catch that part.

~V~



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Originally posted by Scott Jacobs:
Quero o cervejeria, por favor!

Well, almost no one speaks English here. How refreshing! Every one should be required to spend time where no one else speaks their language. And yet it really has been quite easy to get around and find what we want. Almost every time that we´ve ordered two beers, which is often, we are delivered three. Three really is the new two.

The night before last we stopped for beers and bad service at Garota de Ipanema and admired pictures of Jobim and Moraes with Heloisa Pinheiro. Yesterday we walked down Copacabana Beach and had lunch at the famous Copacabana Palace Hotel before taking the cable cars to the top of Sugarloaf. Today we hiked up to the top of Corcovado and dined on Granola bars and Skol cerveja.

Tomorrow we head for Brasilia. More later...


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posted 07-16-2005 08:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Phangeaux   Click Here to Email Phangeaux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HowardR:
Ok, let's get down to the important thing here.... Brazil has the most naturally beautiful, sweet, and exotic women on this planet (IMO). If that's not inspiration for the amazing music that Brazil has gifted to us, then I don't know what is.

Time for a cold shower....

Are you spending any time in the northern part of the country, Bahia?


Man oh Man I thought I was in Heaven and I was in a complete DAZE for the first 3 months. It would take alot more than a cold shower to get out of that daze- like maybe being entombed in a galacial ice pack, but I did finally come out of it enough to be able to function. You know, It is more than just the women it is the beauty of South America and the Stars of the Southern Hemisphere, all adding up to one of the most beautiful and enchanting places I have ever been- There is something more than just the physical beauty, don't you agree?

I know Bahia, stayed on the Island of Itaparica for awhile, visited a medicine man there, but not on medicine man business- (quite) per se
Mostly in Salvador, Bahia.

Boy, I could tell you some stories, but I ain't gonna.

Anyhow, I'll butt out- I'll write about my stories in some creative writing projects in the future. It has been a long time since I was in Brazil.

Capoeira was pretty impressive and I've long wanted a Birimbao.

If you see candles on the beach at night it might be some pretty Macumba ladies. I encountered one of them one night, and wow, one of the sexiest women I've ever seen.

Enough from me, I've been up all night and should get off of here.

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[simple]Vincent Phangeaux
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HowardR
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posted 07-16-2005 20:42     Click Here to See the Profile for HowardR   Click Here to Email HowardR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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you'll see some neat anthills


Anthills?!!!! Anthills?!!!!! You wanna see anthills? I left a half eaten banaana out on my counter last night.


Oy vey! Later for the anthills....

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quote:
Originally posted by Phangeaux:
Man oh Man I thought I was in Heaven and I was in a complete DAZE for the first 3 months. It would take alot more than a cold shower to get out of that daze- like maybe being entombed in a galacial ice pack, but I did finally come out of it enough to be able to function. You know, It is more than just the women it is the beauty of South America and the Stars of the Southern Hemisphere, all adding up to one of the most beautiful and enchanting places I have ever been- There is something more than just the physical beauty, don't you agree?

I know Bahia, stayed on the Island of Itaparica for awhile, visited a medicine man there, but not on medicine man business- (quite) per se
Mostly in Salvador, Bahia.

Boy, I could tell you some stories, but I ain't gonna.

Anyhow, I'll butt out- I'll write about my stories in some creative writing projects in the future. It has been a long time since I was in Brazil.

Capoeira was pretty impressive and I've long wanted a Birimbao.

If you see candles on the beach at night it might be some pretty Macumba ladies. I encountered one of them one night, and wow, one of the sexiest women I've ever seen.

Enough from me, I've been up all night and should get off of here.

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[simple]Vincent Phangeaux
BadBadBlues[/simple]

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I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!--THANK YOU!!!!--KEEP 'EM COMING!!!(I may be getting some tutoring; to fix my keybord "chaos"; learning to line 'em out like that...non-related...sleepy also!)

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Not much time to post right now but in the mean time here´s my idea for some new South American Superheroes to compete with The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Capoeira Capybara! Talk amoungst yourselves but remember that it was my idea.

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Scott,

Did you hear about the tornado/water spout near Punta Gorda yesterday? On CNN, it looked like there wasn't any property damage.

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posted 07-17-2005 16:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Phangeaux   Click Here to Email Phangeaux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Jacobs:
Not much time to post right now but in the mean time here´s my idea for some new South American Superheroes to compete with The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Capoeira Capybara! Talk amoungst yourselves but remember that it was my idea.

LOL, Scott,

If you get the opportunity be sure to visit a zoo or two. I went to one in Belem (near the mouth of the Amazon River)

I saw this shallow pool shaped like a race track with a little island in the middle and huge eels 4 feet to 6 feet long (1.2m to 1.8m) swimming around the island in one direction. There was a wrought iron railing around he pool, it had just rained a bit and the everyhing was wet. I was barefoot standing in a bit of water and holding the wet iron railing.

I was fascinated with these eels and wanted to reach down and touch one as it swam by. I wondered if these were electric eels. I read the sign and translated it said 'Amazon River Eels'. I thought to myself, well it doesn't say 'electric eels' on the sign, and I presummed further that electric eels must be salt water eels requiring salt water as an electrolyte and these Amazon River eels are fresh water, so they are probably not electric eels.

So, as I said, I was standing barefoot in some water holding onto a wet iron railing. I reached down and touched one of the big eels as it swam by. I received an unbelievable jolt of electricity, that could have knocked me down if that particular eel had not been of friendly temperament, I'm sure. Up to 600 volts I learned later, it was a pulsed DC current at a low frequency and more powerful jolt than you would get sticking you finger in a 115V light socket.
It was the lower frequency of the pulses that gave the jolt such a powerful kick.

I later learned that these eels can electrocute a large alligator and have seen film footage of them doing that. I can't think of many creatures that are tougher than a big alligator. The beauty and mysteries of nature never cease to amaze me and Brazil is certainly a place to encounter some of these.

So I learned that day that Electric Eels don't need salt water as an electrolyte. :-)

I was in Brazil back in 1974 and 1975. I could have stayed there but I came back to the USA for only one reason- to advance my education in an English speaking country, and then I planned to go back to Brazil and/or other countries in S. America and stay there. I did more than enough of the education thing, and not able to go back to S. America now, but I will keep it as a possible plan when I am able.

Your post brought back alot of memories, thanks, and enjoy your trip

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quote:
Originally posted by HowardR:
Ok, let's get down to the important thing here.... Brazil has the most naturally beautiful, sweet, and exotic women on this planet (IMO). If that's not inspiration for the amazing music that Brazil has gifted to us, then I don't know what is.

Time for a cold shower....


I´m sure I would spend more time noticing all the beautiful women if I weren´t traveling with one.


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Scott, who is "we?"

IGS Seattle 2004 Alum, Alexandra Syphard.

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Anyhow, so whatcha doin' down there? I didn't catch that part.

I´ve been accompanying the beautiful and gifted Dr. Syphard to the SCB (Society for Conservation Biology) Conference at The Universidade de Brasilia. I´m most honored to be promoted to the role of her personal secretary and escort.

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When I was in Rio, practically every Brazillian I met spoke better English than I did, LOL. (at least in the cities) That was embarassing when they asked me to come and teach conversational English at the Yazeege language schools. That is when you just converse with the students. Since Portuguese is not recognized by the UN as one of the 5 International Languages, they teach secondary languages (secondary to their national language which is Portuguese) in the school system from an early age- usually Spanish, English, French, about in that order, then Chinese or Russian. Those are the 5 International Languages.



Its wonderful to be surrounded by an amazing bunch of people from all over the world at this conference. The majority of the people we´ve met have all expressed similar difficulties in dealing with the language barrier. The French and Spanish speaking friends that we´ve made also state that they are having the same difficulties. Despite this you can pretty much get what you need with some minimal effort. When English doesn´t seem to work we´ve attempted communication with French, Spanish, and German and its been pretty much hit or miss. We´ve seen hotel managers who couldn´t speak a word of English but have been surprised to find young men at newspaper stands who spoke English fluently. But, anecdotaly, I would guestimate that a rough percentage of English speaking Brazilians, young or old, is less than 10% or more likely less than 5%. While your experience may have been different, it seems that the majority of conference attendees and friends that we´ve made along the way have made similar observations.

Its interesting to note how little cross polinization of cultures have occured. While I´m certainly not the most experienced traveler I can´t think of much Brazilian influence on U.S. Culture besides musical styles like Chorro, Bossa Nova, and Samba. I can´t think of any English words off the top of my head that have Portuguese derivation and I don´t remember ever eating at a Portuguese style restaurant. You get the feeling that the Brazilians are fairly uninterested in U.S. Culture as opposed to the disinterest one might experience in say Quebec. The people here are amazingly friendly, helpful, and social. And while the U.S. prides itself on its cultural diversity and being a melting pot, its pretty apparent that these concepts are more fully realized in Brazil; so much so that it makes these concepts in the U.S. seem like only "wishfull thinking."

Tomorrow we head to the Cerrado. According to a lecture we attended today, the Cerrado covers over 20% of Brazil. Deforestation in the Cerrado is occuring even faster than in the Amazon and its predicted that if things don´t change it will completely disappear by 2030!

Remember that the majority of the planet is only one plane flight away...

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I´m sure I would spend more time noticing all the beautiful women if I weren´t traveling with one.


Sorry, that's not a valid excuse......


Now, if you were run over by an ox cart, had a bad hangover from too many batidas, were being persued by a tribe of disgruntled natives, or had your eyes pecked out by a macaw, that would be exceptable....

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You're right - Dr. Syphard is a cutie!


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Greetings from the ornery bastard to both of you! I really like the topic of Alexandra's paper: "Simulating The Effects Of Frequent Fire On The Distribution Of Dominant Plant Functional Types In Southern California Shrublands." Hopefully she'll point out that frequently and at regular intervals happening man-made fires reduce the biodiversity by far more than episodically happening wild fires and therefore should not be used as a bio-management tool.

Regarding musical styles, it's Choro (only one R), the style with the two Rs is Forro. Are you going north where they build mandolins after the conference??

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Sounds like a great trip so far Scott. I'm listening to some choros written by Dilermando Reis, played by Paulo Bellinati, as I write this. Look for some of Dilermando's material while you're there if you don't already have it. Also some sanfona material from folks such as Dominguinhos.
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Oh, Darlin', please believe me that our Brazilian guides we're rather adamant that those aren't ant hills but are actually termite mounds. We did get to see some really interesting birds in the Cerrado of Ågua Mineral like the Soladinho, became intimately familar with red ticks, and interacted with monkeys near the mineral springs. We didn't discover the Capybara trail until it was almost time to leave and thus missed our chance to see some.

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Regarding musical styles, it's Choro (only one R), the style with the two Rs is Forro. Are you going north where they build mandolins after the conference??

I believe that Forro has had even less of an impact on U.S. Culture than Choro. We attended the SCB "Brazilian Party" but left before we got to hear any real Forro. We did stay to see some Capoeira by "Grupo Candeias." I loved the audience participation and communal aspect of music making by this group but was disappointed by their obvious exclusion of Capybara from these activities. The next night, while looking for hammocks in the mercado around the giant Torre de Televisao, it just so happened that the Forro group that we missed was giving a well attended concert on the lawn at the west side of the tower. On our walk back to the hotel we had a small scare as a local with a crazed look on his face ran straight towards us, kind of, sort of, not really, across the eight busy lanes of the Eixo Monumental. It turned out that he was stone drunk and was truly worried for his life! So were we considering how they drive in Brazil!


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The night before last we stopped for beers and bad service at Garota de Ipanema and admired pictures of Jobim and Moraes with Heloisa Pinheiro. Yesterday we walked down Copacabana Beach and had lunch at the famous Copacabana Palace Hotel before taking the cable cars to the top of Sugarloaf. Today we hiked up to the top of Corcovado and dined on Granola bars and Skol cerveja.

I forgot to mention the amazing long snouted tree dwelling racoon like creatures at the top of Corcovado. We got some great pictures as they scavenged for food tossed by tourists. Our brazilian guides later told us that these animals are similar to skunks in that they are known for using a similar defense when threatened. At the top, under the giant Christo Redentor monument, we were treated to some impromptu samba by a roving young vocal group with a cavaquinho and drums. A few nights before we had seen a similar walking vocal group but with a banjo ukulele like instrument instead. We decided to ride the train down back down and were treated to some communal singing by the extremely social and vocal brazilians. Never before have I seen this kind of behavior at any major tourist destination in the U.S.

While we loved the views at the top of Corcovado, in comparison we found the views at the top of Sugarloaf and Urca just as breathtaking. A perfect afternoon could be spent with a wine and cheese picnic lunch sitting at one of the many tree shaded benches on the top of Urca.

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Are you going north where they build mandolins after the conference??

We didn't make it north but we heard some amazing things. I did look for a cavaquinho but only found a few cheap ones at the mall near our hotel in Brasilia. It looks like I'm going to have to order one on-line.

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Greetings from the ornery bastard to both of you! I really like the topic of Alexandra's paper: "Simulating The Effects Of Frequent Fire On The Distribution Of Dominant Plant Functional Types In Southern California Shrublands." Hopefully she'll point out that frequently and at regular intervals happening man-made fires reduce the biodiversity by far more than episodically happening wild fires and therefore should not be used as a bio-management tool.

Drop her a line and tell her yourself. I don't really understand all of that stuff and am quite happy to admit that she's the smarter one of the two of us.

After reading the travel warnings from the health department we were a little hesitant to get too adventurous with our dining habits but we were blown away by the purple fruit juice called "uva." Why hasn't this stuff found its way to the US. yet? And the same thing can be said for the ginger ale like soft drink called Guarana. Fresh Guava and Coconut juices were also wonderful. We did sample some Caprinhas at the Carlton but never got brave enough to try one of the ones served in a coconut by street vendors. Alexandra has been doing her best to tempt me to become a coffee achiever but the café com leite with sugar kicked a$$! We also both tried manioc for the first time and I sampled Feijoada and Salgadinhos every chance I got. The Sobremesas were so amazing that its surprising to me that Brazilian/Portuguese style cooking hasn't become more popular in the U.S.

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You're right - Dr. Syphard is a cutie!


Yep.

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Originally posted by Corn Dog:
Sounds like a great trip so far Scott. I'm listening to some choros written by Dilermando Reis, played by Paulo Bellinati, as I write this. Look for some of Dilermando's material while you're there if you don't already have it. Also some sanfona material from folks such as Dominguinhos.

Cham, had I had more time to prepare I would have reviewed some of your previous postings on Brazilian music. I didn't get much time to shop but I did bring home a few DVDs. I brought home a bossa nova guitar DVD by Toquinho but so far its a tad cheesy. Still, I think this will help supplement my baby steps into bossa nova. I also brought home a great Gal Costa concert DVD that features some amazing arrangements of Jobim standards. The band really swings and the DVD also allows the option of Portuguese subtitles. I'm looking to expand my Portuguese vocal repertoire. I did look for some Jacob do Bandolim on DVD but struck out at this particular store.

What an awesome trip! I can't wait to go back.

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Upon further reflection, I suppose that I should mention some of the poverty and deprivation that we saw in our travels. On the ride into town from the Rio de Janeiro airport I saw slums like I've never seen in the United States. I found myself wondering if so many people were willing to live in condemned structures why there wasn't more construction present and real estate development. I found myself thinking the same thing as we hiked up Corcovado. The clean air and breathtaking views from tree shaded hillsides seemed to me like a real estate agent's wet dream and yet there seemed to be little to no evidence of a possible real estate boom in the decaying hillside structures.

We had planned to tour one of Rio's Favelas but ran out of time. In addition, in and around Brasilia it looked like there were large tracts of potential farm land that weren't being farmed at all. Another thing we noticed in Brasilia was the periodic subtle but present stench of human sewage that seemed to hang in the air on certain days.

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