Please CLICK HERE to go to the updated guitar forum. This version is no longer active as a discussion area, but is still available as a searchable archive. All user names and passwords have been integrated in the new forum

  Acoustic Guitar Forum
  The IGS Guitar Forum
  Trouble with changing chords

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Trouble with changing chords
garf
Member

Posts: 7
From: GA
Registered: Sep 2005
posted 09-28-2005 08:09     Click Here to See the Profile for garf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
ive been learning the acoustic guitar for just over a month now using online lessons, and ive learnt 6 chords but im finding it real hard to change from one chord to another when im trying to learn a song.

I wouldnt of dreamt of trying to learn a song at this stage if the lessons hadn't of told me to try, but to be quite frank im trying and its sounding like shit.

Should i be worried that i cant play even a little bit of these songs without the 2 second pauses for changing chords?

Thankyou
Rob

IP: Logged

Steinar Gregertsen
Member

Posts: 3670
From: Norway
Registered: Apr 2003
posted 09-28-2005 08:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Steinar Gregertsen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by garf:
Hi,
ive been learning the acoustic guitar for just over a month now using online lessons, and ive learnt 6 chords but im finding it real hard to change from one chord to another when im trying to learn a song.

I wouldnt of dreamt of trying to learn a song at this stage if the lessons hadn't of told me to try, but to be quite frank im trying and its sounding like shit.

Should i be worried that i cant play even a little bit of these songs without the 2 second pauses for changing chords?

Thankyou
Rob


No need to worry Rob, that's perfectly normal. Be patient and play every day, and your hands will eventually 'memorize' the chords and it will be easier. Patience and desire are the most important factors when learning to play guitar.

Steinar

-- 
"It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others"
www.gregertsen.com

[This message has been edited by Steinar Gregertsen (edited 09-28-2005).]

IP: Logged

jacksmart
Member

Posts: 302
From: Williamson, WV, USA
Registered: Oct 2004
posted 09-28-2005 08:23     Click Here to See the Profile for jacksmart   Click Here to Email jacksmart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone will tell you playing the guitar takes time- lots of time.
First, you must get your fingers conditioned to shaping the chord
and then you must apply it to the fretboard. Yes, the fingers will
get very sore until you form hard callouses form. This can take several
weeks to get it going properly. The key is not to become discouraged
and don't quit. Playing a song properly takes many tries and, depending
upon the individual, it may take even longer. So, don't worry right
now- the pretty sound will come in time.
Jack

IP: Logged

garf
Member

Posts: 7
From: GA
Registered: Sep 2005
posted 09-28-2005 08:25     Click Here to See the Profile for garf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thankyou, thats good to hear as im practicing at least 3 hours a day recently

i appreciate your replies

[This message has been edited by garf (edited 09-28-2005).]

IP: Logged

wildbillw
Member

Posts: 1126
From: IDAHO,USA
Registered: Jan 2005
posted 09-28-2005 08:34     Click Here to See the Profile for wildbillw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Playing songs is a great way to learn. Pick easy tunes that you know. I'm no natural when it comes to guitar, more like brute strength and awkwardness.

Been taking lessons for two years now, and improvement has been slow but sure. For me, it takes about a year for something to really sink in and become natural.

Don't worry about two second chord changes. Pick two chords and go back and forth 50 times a day.

Don't get frustrated, it will come.

wb

IP: Logged

dogbite
Member

Posts: 1319
From: mpls,mn,usa
Registered: May 2004
posted 09-28-2005 09:26     Click Here to See the Profile for dogbite   Click Here to Email dogbite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
garf. go for it. I believe that is a very good way to be a better player.
ya, it takes time, but if your enthusiasm is up then it becomes less challenging and more joyful.

I learned by playiing songs. some were way out of my league, but I made them work for me.

chord changes will be seamless for you eventually.

trying out a song is a good way to get the feel of how chords go together.
and it enhances memory.

IP: Logged

Dave H
Member

Posts: 208
From: hull, england
Registered: Jun 2005
posted 09-28-2005 09:38     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by garf:
[B]Hi,
ive been learning the acoustic guitar for just over a month now using online lessons, and ive learnt 6 chords but im finding it real hard to change from one chord to another when im trying to learn a song.

Six chords in a month is pretty good going I reckon!

Big Mike Simpson has a quote by Aristotle on some of his posts which goes "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit"

In terms of guitar playing, this is so true. Remember it when your wrist aches and your fingers bleed and you cant keep up with the tune your trying to play along to. If you keep at it, you WILL get it.... John Williams and Gary Moore went through the same trauma !!!

Let me know when you release your first cd.

Dave.

IP: Logged

PeterG
Member

Posts: 1434
From: 127.0.0.1
Registered: Mar 2003
posted 09-28-2005 09:46     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Six chords in 1 month? You're doing just fine. Hell, that's three-chord blues times 2.

IP: Logged

a2tom
Member

Posts: 85
From:
Registered: May 2005
posted 09-28-2005 10:54     Click Here to See the Profile for a2tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
almost everyone can quickly learn how to form the chord shapes. moving from one to the other is the hard part!! As above, you're 100% normal (at least in that regard ;>).

A mental exercise to help you realize how amazing it is that anyone can do it - form the chord shape of C, G, etc off of the fretboard, out in mid-air. THen change to a differnt chord shape. Those hand positions are, like, random! Sort of amqazing that your fingers have enough positional sense to be able to do it all. Certainly, it requires training.

The mid air exercise also makes the point that chord changes are assisted by having the fretboard there - almost any given set of two chords will have some sort of common "reference" that help guide your finger through the change. For example, C and G change primarily by moving the middle and ring fingers one string, but with a fixed relationship. C and thumbed F have a common root on the first fret of the second string. And on and on. Using those kinds of cues helps simplify the chord change task and make it so you don't have to rethink the whole hand each time.

But really, just keep at it.

tom

IP: Logged

mudslide
Member


Posts: 201
From: Santa Monica USA
Registered: Sep 2005
posted 09-28-2005 13:21     Click Here to See the Profile for mudslide   Click Here to Email mudslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some great advise above. Also keep doing your finger excercises to built strength and finger independence, this will really pay off for chord work. I have a "lazy" pinky that is not very independent, but the individual finger exercises help out a lot, as well as something making sure to place that "weak" pinky on the right fret first and the other, better fingers, follow and flow right into place.

Also, you can strum the guitar completely open (no fretted notes) in between one chord to the next, and this sometimes help to give you time to find the right placement for your fingers without interrupting the timing of the song while you're just learning. You be surprised that alot of songs you'll learn acutally incorporate this. Try it, but maybe do not strum all 6 open strings, just maybe 2-3 and you'll see how you can incorporate into the song.

[This message has been edited by mudslide (edited 09-28-2005).]

IP: Logged

Reso_Ralph
Member

Posts: 236
From: Deutschland
Registered: Aug 2005
posted 09-28-2005 13:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Reso_Ralph   Click Here to Email Reso_Ralph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Learning to play is not just a question of getting enough dexterity and strength in your fingers. It is a brain thing too: You will support your progress when vizualizing your playing: The brain has to memorize the movement of your hands and fingers. The more the fingerings sink into your brain and body the easier you will make the chord changes. And, of course, all the guys who previously posted, are right: Practise and be patient. You will make progress in big steps sometimes: You will have experiences like: "Wow, I can play it today though it did not work yesterday!". So it is not sort of linear progress. For a good amount of time you may have a feeling of "I'm standing still" and then suddely make a big step forward. This will push your motivation and give you a real satisfying feel. Keep on and you will do it! Have fun, Ralph

IP: Logged

panhead74
Member

Posts: 397
From: Springfield, Pennsylvania, USA
Registered: Jun 2005
posted 09-28-2005 13:48     Click Here to See the Profile for panhead74   Click Here to Email panhead74     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Reso_Ralph:
...Keep on and you will do it! Have fun, Ralph

Don't ever forget the "fun" part! As horribly frustrating as playing can be at times, the fun is why we do it.

IP: Logged

garf
Member

Posts: 7
From: GA
Registered: Sep 2005
posted 09-28-2005 15:37     Click Here to See the Profile for garf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks guys, you're all diamonds!

IP: Logged

Wayne Byrnes
Member

Posts: 634
From: Katoomba, NSW Australia
Registered: Sep 2005
posted 09-28-2005 15:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Wayne Byrnes   Click Here to Email Wayne Byrnes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gday Rob,

When we practice something over and over again, we store it in our brains differently to something we do as a one off. The oft-repeated action gets stored in our "small" primitive brain, as opposed to our larger cognitive one. (did you know we had two brains? The cerebrum and the cerebellum)

Things stored in the small brain become what is referred to as "second nature". It is this part of the brain that controls instinctive reactions. Many species of mammals have a poorly developed large brain and rely almost entirely on the instinctive reactions from the small brain. We are one of the few species on earth to have a well developed large brain. It allows us to rationalise etc..

Its only after lots of repetitions can we do something with our cognitive brain while the small brains carries on. Some people when playing complex songs concentrate on the music and let the singing just come out on its own from the small brain. Most of us, however, concentrate on the sining and let the music come out instinctively.

Everything is of course filtered through the limbic system for added emotion, but thats another post!

Summary:- Practice makes perfect.

Ever

WJB

IP: Logged

johnval1362
Member

Posts: 129
From: Connecticut, US
Registered: Jun 2005
posted 09-29-2005 17:22     Click Here to See the Profile for johnval1362     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Play one chord and then another. The same 2 chords over and over and over again until its perfect then go to a 3rd chord and so on.

IP: Logged

All times are PST (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | IGS

©1999,2000,2001,2002, 2003,2004,2005,2006 IGS. All Rights Reserved

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board