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marigold28
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posted 10-02-2005 12:09     Click Here to See the Profile for marigold28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok all my acoustics have been dreadnaught style. For my last purchase I was on the fence between a dreadnaught and a grand auditorium Taylor. I sided with buying another dreadnaught. From my research I gathered a grand is smaller at waist, possible more suited for being finger picked b/c of smaller size, and less bassy.

However I did play a Taylor grand auditorium and thought it kinda kicked some good volume and bass out of it at the store.

I kind of went for the dreadnaught b/c I like louder full volume guitars. I was afraid of a wimpy sound. However, what do you guys think of feel as a differene or prefer and why?

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Ulysses K. Davenport
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posted 10-02-2005 13:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses K. Davenport     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you like the Dreadnought sound, that's what you should play. But if you find a Grand Auditorium that sounds nice to you, you might also appreciate its smaller size.

Kevin.

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munsonman
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posted 10-02-2005 17:26     Click Here to See the Profile for munsonman   Click Here to Email munsonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the smaller ones have something that I like. I have a Tacoma dread and a seagull folk, which is kind of a Grand Concert, maybe a bit smaller. The only way I can describe it is that the folk sounds good on the A through high E strings and the dread sounds best on the 3 bass strings. I think that a good OM or Grand Auditorium might split that difference and be a good all around guitar.

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Jubilee Valence
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posted 10-02-2005 23:14     Click Here to See the Profile for Jubilee Valence   Click Here to Email Jubilee Valence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
........the DREAD, the WHOLE DREAD, and NOTHING BUT THE DREAD!!!.....fer' me anyway!.....Jubi
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Veronica
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posted 10-03-2005 08:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Veronica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought a Martin Eric Clapton because I wanted something smaller than the dreadnought I started playing guitar with. I found the smaller size more suited to my size and comfort. It sounds wonderfull but I'm not sure if it's the size or the guitar itself. As I become more experienced playing I now find I can handle the dreadnought and the size and sound are not intimidating. So, to answer your question, I like both. So what's wrong with variety?

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Easy Rider
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posted 10-03-2005 13:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Easy Rider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dreads are a bit heavy in the bass, while a Grand Auditorium will be more balanced between bass, midrange and treble. My OM, with its longer string scale, also has better projection and more separation of individual notes on different strings, which is ideal for fingerpicking.

An OM is more of a solo instrument, while a Dread is more of a rhythm instrument. Dreads were originally designed as rhythm instruments for string bands. This said, a lot depends on the choice of woods and the maker.

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Jubilee Valence
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posted 10-04-2005 00:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Jubilee Valence   Click Here to Email Jubilee Valence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WHEWWWEEE!!!!---good thing we're all veterans of "Dread", and Martin vs_____, --wars!!!...but, in my experience I've owned 3 dreads, 1 Jumbo, a bunch of nylon & electrics.....I don't believe that a Dreadnaught plays second string to anything...I guess in theory-the big boys were developed for, "then" back-up....but in todays music, with the virtuosos out there, as well as us "pickers" the formerly relegated to backgroung droning ka-chunk! sounding stuff is "!no mas!"...pure lead and artistry work........why do you think they cost SO much & are descibed as having "separation of notes", "clarity in separation of notes", "as fast as you are, clarity........", etc etc etc......WELLLLL DOGGGIEEE!!!! 'Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!! (did I mention I prefer dreads? )
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Easy Rider
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posted 10-04-2005 05:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Easy Rider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jubilee, your underwear is on too tight!

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M Stephenson
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posted 10-04-2005 05:44     Click Here to See the Profile for M Stephenson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the grand auditorium style better than the dread because I find it easier to hold and play classical/finger style music. I have had a few dreads and was never able to play them well.

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Jubilee Valence
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posted 10-04-2005 06:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Jubilee Valence   Click Here to Email Jubilee Valence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...not me--I don't wear 'em see?
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ljguitar
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posted 10-04-2005 07:45     Click Here to See the Profile for ljguitar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by marigold28:
...However, what do you guys think of feel as a differene or prefer and why?


Hi Marigold...
I love variety. The three guitars I own and play most are:

1 - Olson Dreadnaught - Rosewood/Cedar 12 yrs old and wonderful for either fingerstyle or strumming - big sound
2 - Bashkin OM, fanned fret, cutaway - Myrtlewood/Italian Spruce - creamy smooth high end with rich balanced tone
3 - Kronbauer mini-Jumbo - Koa/Sitka - a kicker for projection. Great for solo leads, fingerstyle jazz and ragtime tunes.

Having different sounding guitars has helped me to learn and write & play in different styles. They really assisted in keeping the sound fresh and my skills growing.

Larry J

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Kirk Rogers
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posted 10-04-2005 08:21     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirk Rogers   Click Here to Email Kirk Rogers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It all depends on the music you play. The dred is the more popular guitar. Maybe it was the Taylort sound that caught your ear. It is great sounding guitar!

Guitar Ideas
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marigold28
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posted 10-04-2005 14:32     Click Here to See the Profile for marigold28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes and when you buy your first couple guitars you odn't always have the exact sound in mind you want yet. I would like to have both kinds of guitars actually. I do love the dread though. I can't ever ever see myself in a jumbo since I am 5 foot tall and just under 110 lbs. hahaha.

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munsonman
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posted 10-04-2005 15:15     Click Here to See the Profile for munsonman   Click Here to Email munsonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought my tacoma dred because Eric Clapton and Dave Mattews both played that shape of guitar, and the tacoma was the best I could find in my price range. I wanted it to be the last guitar I would need for a long time. At the time I didn't even know what the shapes where called, I just knew that "THAT" was what I needed. Probably could play the chords to 4 songs at the time. I don't know how many guitars are bought like that, but I think maybe it has been more than just mine.

Also, the first time I saw an Eric Clapton model martin, I stared at it for a loong time.


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Jubilee Valence
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posted 10-04-2005 23:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Jubilee Valence   Click Here to Email Jubilee Valence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well marigold28, for better or worser--the pure unaldulterated truth--"My" personal favorite pickers Steve Stills and Steve Miller both play "triple 0s"--go figure--got nuthin' ta' do with me tho'!---also C.F.Martin debuted the "Eric Clapton Model" in '95 the 00042EC--his "favorite guitar of choice was apparently also a 000! "Martin's" page has THE encyclopedia version of shapes etc! http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/model.php if you click to the pge shapes & sizes under "Choosing your Martin"--you'll get the perfect picture!--This one in the link is "All Models"--Hasta!--Jubi
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posted 10-04-2005 23:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Slider     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marigold - you NEED at least one of each.... minimum!

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marigold28
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posted 10-07-2005 08:17     Click Here to See the Profile for marigold28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly love the Taylor but will probably buy a Martin next time just to mix it up a little bit. I clicked on the link and I can see the 000 models do look a bit smaller than the D models(I am not as familiar with Martins as I am Taylors since I play a Taylor and researched them beforehand a lot)I have to play them all first......

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lakeplacidblue
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posted 10-07-2005 08:34     Click Here to See the Profile for lakeplacidblue   Click Here to Email lakeplacidblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi Marigold - good to see all around posting again.

I get confused with all these names - Grand auditorium etc

I've never been into Jumbo size guitars personally.
My Taylor 514ce - (is that a GA ??) is great for stage work -
my 612ce Taylor - (which is all round smaller) is just great for fingerpicking style, and i guess I use that almost exclusively at home - to the point the 514ce feels a bit awkward at first when i go and do a gig.

the 612 doesn't really cut a 'gig' where I'm strummng etc as well as fingerpicking - The 514 wins hands down for vol and tone.

I put some of it down to the fact my 612 is all maple body - which is very brite sounding - very balanced - but lacking a rich bottom end. As much as i love my 612 - i wish I'd got a 712 0r 912 - I think they would be all round warmer sounding guitars.

Oh well !!

Not much help to you - I guess - just a rave from me !

I love my Taylors !!

Aaron

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Big Mike Simpson
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posted 10-07-2005 09:14     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Mike Simpson   Click Here to Email Big Mike Simpson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You will get lots of opinions but you must decide what you like, everyone can only tell you what they like.

My acoustic preference is a Gibson J45... it has that "thump" for bass lines when fingerpicking. You can hear my 1949 J45 on our website Blind Dog Blues Band and judge the sound for yourself. I own a 62 J45, a 49 J45 and a 38 L-00, the smaller bodied L-00 is one sweet sounding guitar too. I do not like the "Taylor sound" or the "Martin sound" I have played some Larivee's that sounded pretty good but I tend to like the Gibson sound.... Ovations don't even count...

While perhaps not the prettiest of woods I prefer the sound of a guitar with mahogany back and sides. After all... you gonna play it or look at it? Many guitar players fall into the "pretty wood trap" and spend more for a guitar that does not sound any better if as good as a less fancy piece of wood.

Many newer guitars are overbraced or the tops are too thick. There are lots of boutique makers building nice guitars and many draw from vintage specifications.

You must decide... Go where there are several that you are considering and play them blindfolded (have someone hand them to you) and have someone else play them in front of you while you are blindfolded and choose the one that inspires you to play most.

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jacksmart
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posted 10-07-2005 09:41     Click Here to See the Profile for jacksmart   Click Here to Email jacksmart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with some previous comments- "Let your ear decide what you
like." I have played several guitars from the same manufacturer same
models that had different tone. Therefore, it is difficult to say
that all are equal- they are not.
Jack

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marigold28
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posted 10-07-2005 17:23     Click Here to See the Profile for marigold28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your ear but also feel as well for your style. a smaller guitar can be more comfortable.
From what I gather

Taylor guitars ending in a 14 are considered grand Auditorium style. ie 214 314 and so on(the first number representing the quality of wood and more expensive the higher the number)

The Taylor guitars ending in a 10 are dreads (210 310 and so on)
I do not know what the 12's are for Taylor or what a Martin OM is yet.

yes it is confusing schooling yourself on all the specifications of all the brands. I don't need to know everything. I don't sell guitars. so as long as I can tune, change strings and play I am content.

I can play barre chords now too which is a major milestone in my playing. It was not about brute stength as I have little of that but the proper positioning and angle of not only my fingers but my whole arm. For instance I noticed when I play an f barre chord my elbow comes in toward my body so I do that automatically now when going to the f.

I hear about these guys on here cranking off thier arms to play a barre chord. I never do that. It just took time.

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