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Originally posted by Wayne Byrnes:
This is not the place for the proselytising brigade.

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And where's that brigade, if I may ask? There's one - 1 - post of 39 that can be interpretated as proselytising,- not exactly what I'd call a "brigade".

But I agree with you,- this is not the place to discuss religion. But from the looks of it that rule doesn't go both ways......

Steinar

The poor lad who started this asked a civilised, innocent question and got abuse from a bully. Surely this forum is better than that?

I personally have no time for religion. But unless someone starts preaching at me or expecting me to confirm to their belief system, I will absolutely respect their right to their beliefs.

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I'm DLing this one, fer sure, if you don't mind.

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Originally posted by Wayne Byrnes:
This is not the place for the proselytising brigade. Its bad enough having them over on the other side.

Go find a pew somewhere they want to talk about fairy tales like the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, unicorns, God and eskimos.

Old and Pagan,

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Norfolk Slim-

So, let me get this right: it is I who am responsible for triggering a negative response from others to those who try to proselytize on this forum? Wow, that's quite flattering...but I think you give me way-too-much credit and it is insulting to those who have voiced their own feelings about all this. If I had that kind of power or charisma, man, I'd be King Of The World! Perhaps there are simply more people than you realized who are sick-and-tired of people thumping their bibles...or korans, while we are supposed to be "reasonable" and let them. Perhaps they are reacting to what they perceive as a "clear-and-present danger". You think we're intolerant? No, we're just "fighting fire with fire"...before "we" end up under such nut-jobs' thumbs. Since you are British, perhaps you are unaware of the political agenda of the so-called US "religious-right" (who are neither!) since their boy, the criminal, Bush, took power?

You, also, overstate other things I have posted. I have no problems with others having "religious" beliefs...as long as they don't proselytize...which IS the first step toward trying to force their believes on others...and here I WILL make a stand. I have never said that others can't be hobbyist musicians...just that they will never understand what professionals go through in order to achieve that status...or the chances we take. I have answered my share of "...simple guitar questions..." on this and other forums and am happy to do so. As for my disdain for lawyers: well, I guess you've got me there! But, these are merely MY opinions.

Tim G-

Perhaps I was a tad harsh in calling the xtian kid a "moron" for not knowing what a dobro is. Otherwise, please read the first paragraph in my reply to "Norfolk Slim".

Steinar-

Sorry, but I don't have much use for "religious" martyrs and those that the Romans wisely fed to the lions were just fools. However, thanks for quoting that "Time" piece. It's good to see that SOME Christians, at least, are trying to distance themselves from those oppressive bible-thumpers who give your religion a really bad name.

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Go find a pew somewhere they want to talk about fairy tales like the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, unicorns, God and eskimos.

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Eskimos are mythological now too?!?!? I better tell that to the Inuit's I know.... I do live in Canada, you know.

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Eskimos are mythological now too?!?!? I better tell that to the Inuit's I know.... I do live in Canada, you know.

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You show utter disdain for those not as professional or knowledgeable as you- and then rub their noses in it with the "worst guitarist in the world" nonsense.

You abuse a 15 year old kid with an innocent question, calling him a moron for not knowing what a dobro is and starting a diatribe against christians. I find the bigotry evident in your posts staggering.

I have no time for what you term the religious right- but no one in this thread has given even the slightest suggestion of being form that school of thought.

I have no time for religion personally either and am the first to launch in aggressively if someone starts preaching or seeking to impose their beliefs on me. But the problem with the western world today is precisely the bitter lack of tolerance and respect for others that your posts keep showing. No wonder fanatics are created when faced with unprovoked abuse for their beliefs.

You will doubtless explain this all as being honest and straight talking. Both are commendable approaches to life imo. The problem is when people use them as a cheap excuse for rudeness, lack of respect for others, lack of tact, and for intimidating and being aggressive to people who have done nothing to deserve it.

If the first poster is still reading, sorry about this. Do what makes you happy and don't mind these mean old men, they're just trying to get you down.

That's right, freedom from any ONE religion, and personally any ONE religion that claims to be the ONLY way, into the pearly gated community, just seems kinda narrow to me. Not saying anything about who should be allowed to say what--I just admire Jimmy Carter, more than say, Jimmy Swaggart...that's all. Theoretically anyone should be free to express what they want. But anyone who preaches that it's their way or the highway has to expect some criticism....from some people.

I agree the kid asked an innocent question, but I also understand that some people have suffered both small and great pains from the actions of some Christians, so perhaps, some of us are a tad sensitive, all a part of free speech....

However it does point out another in the yard-long list of reasons the Democrats will lose the next presidential election as well.

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You show utter disdain for those not as professional or knowledgeable as you- and then rub their noses in it with the "worst guitarist in the world" nonsense.

You abuse a 15 year old kid with an innocent question, calling him a moron for not knowing what a dobro is and starting a diatribe against christians. I find the bigotry evident in your posts staggering.

I have no time for what you term the religious right- but no one in this thread has given even the slightest suggestion of being form that school of thought.

I have no time for religion personally either and am the first to launch in aggressively if someone starts preaching or seeking to impose their beliefs on me. But the problem with the western world today is precisely the bitter lack of tolerance and respect for others that your posts keep showing. No wonder fanatics are created when faced with unprovoked abuse for their beliefs.

You will doubtless explain this all as being honest and straight talking. Both are commendable approaches to life imo. The problem is when people use them as a cheap excuse for rudeness, lack of respect for others, lack of tact, and for intimidating and being aggressive to people who have done nothing to deserve it.

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Originally posted by AZLBRAX:

Sorry, but I don't have much use for "religious" martyrs and those that the Romans wisely fed to the lions were just fools.

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Interesting.. So you support a dictatorial regime's murder of innocent people because of their religious beliefs... How does that make you any different from... oh nevermind..

Steinar

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Originally posted by IaninNewyork:
He wants not to play with a good guitarist who might teach him something but with a good christian, and that implicitly means there's something wrong with everyone else.

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I see that point, but it could also be as simple as him wanting to get together with people his own age who's interested in playing the same kind of songs that he is.

It reminded me a little of when I joined the Steel Guitar Forum, and soon got an email from someone inviting me to join a "Christian steel guitar forum". That made me wonder,- how can a steel guitar be Christian?

Steinar

I'm not sure how one poster saying he is a christian forces his views on you any more than those of you saying you're not christians forces your views on anyone else. I can read them and do as I please. I don't personally feel the need to testify on guitar forums, otherwise I would hang out at one of the forums previously mentioned. Even to christians, it is easy to see how many are turned off by the religious right, organized religion, televangilists, the current administration, etc, but I still don't see the rants as appropriate responses to a young player's simple question.

iluvguitars, you have every right to ask your question. And to answer you, I play guitar, and I believe that Jesus Christ walked the earth, and spread a message of love, peace, and forgiveness.

The only judging going on here is by cranky bullies.

Third Day, Christian rock band's guitarists Mark Lee and Brad Avery are smokin' hot writers and players.

You're right about one thing, "Slim", I consider myself outspoken. You call that being a bully? Cool! I really could care less. However, your argument is specious. I don't know any Black Folks who go around preaching about how everyone should be Black...or trying to force their values on others. "Religion" is a choice. One's ethnicity is not!

And you're verging on the theatrical as you and the others keep going on about how this poor little kid is getting abused. Actually, I wasn't even going to bother with this thread because the kid's question wasn't proselytizing...although the other Ian, here, makes a good point about the implications of his wanting to hook up with xtian musicians. It wasn't until "mvilland" started prosyletizing...you will notice that my first post follows his crap about "'If you deny ME before men, I will deny you before the FATHER' I believe that Jesus said that..." that I decided to speak my mind. Yes, I was too harsh in calling the kid "moronic" for not knowing what a dobro is...although his poor spelling and grammar certainly don't point toward any great intelligence, do they?

Yet, another "tempest in a teapot", 'IGS'-style!

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Originally posted by Norfolk Slim:
Azlbrax- you have the mentality of a bully.

You show utter disdain for those not as professional or knowledgeable as you- and then rub their noses in it with the "worst guitarist in the world" nonsense.

You abuse a 15 year old kid with an innocent question, calling him a moron for not knowing what a dobro is and starting a diatribe against christians. I find the bigotry evident in your posts staggering.

I have no time for what you term the religious right- but no one in this thread has given even the slightest suggestion of being form that school of thought.

I have no time for religion personally either and am the first to launch in aggressively if someone starts preaching or seeking to impose their beliefs on me. But the problem with the western world today is precisely the bitter lack of tolerance and respect for others that your posts keep showing. No wonder fanatics are created when faced with unprovoked abuse for their beliefs.

You will doubtless explain this all as being honest and straight talking. Both are commendable approaches to life imo. The problem is when people use them as a cheap excuse for rudeness, lack of respect for others, lack of tact, and for intimidating and being aggressive to people who have done nothing to deserve it.

Next time you feel the urge to launch in with offensive generalisations against a particular group of people, stop for a moment and insert the word "black" in place of "christian" or whatever and see if it sounds reasonable or fair.

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Originally posted by LiamR:
Will someone take this topic off PLEASE!!

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BROZMANISM!!!

Worship Bob Brozman as our saviour and the National Guitar as our most sacred of objects!!!

If not, ye are all leading false lives, that will lead to the eternal damnation of your souls in the Hell known as Modern Popular Culture!!!!!!!!!!!

All hail Brozman!!

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Originally posted by Bob Brozman:
I hear Phil Keaggy is quite a good guitarist.

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I just read Phil Keaggy's bio on his home page. Does he play with a missing finger? I'll check him out further when I can get at a computer that I can listen on line. Thank's Bob.

Follow only Brozmanism, the true faith.

Did I explain well enough fore someone who does not what a Dobro is?

I suggest this person should try to find further information himself on what a Dobro is!!

Steinar