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merna16
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posted 06-29-2006 17:18     Click Here to See the Profile for merna16   Click Here to Email merna16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone,
I'm currently in Charlotte, NC, and been thinking about relocating to Santa Cruz, CA for the music scene and a few other reasons. I was born with a voice and been singing since I was 9 yrs. old. Opera is what I do best, but I'm pretty dynamic. It's really where my heart lies, and I'm not doing it professionally, which is what I need to change...any advice from anyone out west would be appreciated...and hey- if you're looking for a voice that belongs to someone whose heart is truly in it, I'm the gal you're looking for. Ohhh, and I'm 24 years old, 5 feet 6 inches, 125 lbs, long dark hair...Most people think large beast when someone mentions opera...I'm quite the opposite. Love and light...

Myra

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Brad Bechtel
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posted 06-29-2006 18:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Brad Bechtel   Click Here to Email Brad Bechtel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're looking to break into a professional music scene by relocating to Santa Cruz, you're making the wrong move. Santa Cruz is a wonderful town with its own fine music scene, but it's not a spot for people who want to sing opera or be involved in a professional music scene. The cities best suited for that type of thing remain New York City and Los Angeles. Even San Francisco has a better opera following than Santa Cruz.

Move to Santa Cruz for many reasons - the climate, the people, the location. Don't move there to become a professional musician unless you're willing to work as hard on your profession there as you do where you currently live.

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Randy Fortune
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posted 06-29-2006 18:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy Fortune   Click Here to Email Randy Fortune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Myra,

It's always good to hear of someone who is interested in following their passion!

Out here on the left coast the music "scene" can be very fickle but if you can handle the effort it takes to get yourself recognized and are patient with the results, you might just do well. Be PREPARED before you make such a bold move and may God bless.

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Bill McCloskey
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posted 06-29-2006 19:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill McCloskey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that Santa Cruz is a wonderful beautiful town. I got to spend some time there last year when I took my son to the Mandolin Symposium. But it is not a place to break into the music scene as has been said. New York, Houston, San Francisco, are all Opera towns. But New York is the place to go if you are truly serious about Opera. Plus New York is a short flight from North Carolina. If it gets you down, you are not far from home.

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AZLBRAX
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posted 06-30-2006 04:42     Click Here to See the Profile for AZLBRAX   Click Here to Email AZLBRAX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Actually, before you worry about moving ANYWHERE you need to find yourself a manager and before you find yourself a manager, you need to develop an audition repertoire and then record a demo of yourself performing the repertoire. (Limit this demo recording to one aria that shows you at your best but prepare two or three others as "backups"!) You will need a piano accompanist to help you perform whatever operatic arias you consider your best. Of course, if you can afford it, you would do best to work up whatever you plan to record with your accompanist and then go to a professional studio. Otherwise, I'm sure you can find someone who has a home-recording rig, a decent vocal mic and the minimal skills to record you.

Once you have a decent demo, then you need to start contacting managers and/ or agents who specialize in operatic performers. Most of these will be listed in the 'Yellow Pages' under some variant of 'Entertainment'. Call each agent/ manager before you start mailing them your demo (which should be clearly marked with your name and accompanied with a PR photo of yourself [again: with your name printed on it] and a brief bio-sheet.) and ask if they are currently accepting new clients. Otherwise, your promo-package will, likely, end up in the trash unopened. Start with NYC, where most of the operatic managers/ agents are still located. If someone likes what they hear, you will, then, probably be required to travel to them for a live audition.

A lot of people like to sing and some even have powerful voices. However, there is a big jump from having singing...opera or otherwise...as a hobby and becoming a professional. Opera is probably one of the toughest of the tough to break into.

Be prepared for lots of hard work, probably more lessons (I assume that you're already trained, yes?), plenty of rejections and frustration before your professional debut.

That said:

Good luck to you.


Ian


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AZLBRAX
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posted 06-30-2006 04:47     Click Here to See the Profile for AZLBRAX   Click Here to Email AZLBRAX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Try finding a listing for "Gelsey Frothingham Management, USA". I don't know if Gelsey is still alive but her son might have taken over the business. They specialized in operatic and concert artists. Good people with lots of connections.

Ian

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Lcwx2
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posted 06-30-2006 05:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Lcwx2   Click Here to Email Lcwx2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chicago's another good opera town. The Lyric, The Civic. I was in a couple of seasons at the Lyric a long time ago. Wonderful memories.


Jon

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wcmartin
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posted 06-30-2006 06:12     Click Here to See the Profile for wcmartin   Click Here to Email wcmartin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by merna16:
Hi Everyone,
I'm currently in Charlotte, NC, and been thinking about relocating to Santa Cruz, CA for the music scene and a few other reasons. I was born with a voice and been singing since I was 9 yrs. old. Opera is what I do best, but I'm pretty dynamic. It's really where my heart lies, and I'm not doing it professionally, which is what I need to change...any advice from anyone out west would be appreciated...and hey- if you're looking for a voice that belongs to someone whose heart is truly in it, I'm the gal you're looking for. Ohhh, and I'm 24 years old, 5 feet 6 inches, 125 lbs, long dark hair...Most people think large beast when someone mentions opera...I'm quite the opposite. Love and light...

Myra


Gee, if you want to sing opera, why not try our own Charlotte Opera? That's a professional opera company, and pretty highly thought of. It ain't the Met, but..... I suspect you'd really just like to move to California and, by the way while you're there see if you can't make a living by singing, right?

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wwpete52
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posted 06-30-2006 06:31     Click Here to See the Profile for wwpete52   Click Here to Email wwpete52     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Santa Cruz is a neat place. If you are looking at a map and thinking "It's not that far from San Francisco, I'll live in Santa Cruz and drive to the city daily for my music stuff." Maps can be very deceiving. The drive from Santa Cruz to San Francisco or San Jose can be a real bitch.

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Mike Neer
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posted 06-30-2006 07:15     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Neer   Click Here to Email Mike Neer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's always American Idol....

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TheRealDeal
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posted 06-30-2006 08:21     Click Here to See the Profile for TheRealDeal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
......or the longshot that Ed McMahon has relocated to northern California.

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merna16
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posted 06-30-2006 11:03     Click Here to See the Profile for merna16   Click Here to Email merna16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! Love the responses..where do I start?

Opera is where I shine, but I'm perfectly comfortable with all types of music- except for pop.
wcmartin put it right- I'd like to live in Santa Cruz and while I'm at it maybe make a living off of music. I do understand what it takes to become professional. I know all about PR photos, demos and such and it's all very true and necessary- it's something I have been thinking about.

A lot of you pointed out that Santa Cruz is not the place to do this- agreed, but I do not want to be huge and get caught up in the glamour and glitz. I want to stay grounded and real. I'd like to play a role in local bands maybe do some opera in shows in places like SanFran, but I despise NYC and LA- not too sure about. I'm from Syracuse, NY and have grown to hate everything about NY.

As far as lessons go - I have not had a lesson in about 5 years- that's a long time, but I still have it. I'm patient by nature and have been emmersed in the scene throughout high school- I'm a hard worker by nature, so working hard on something I love- no problem.

Ian- you really sound like you know what you're talking about and I get the feeling you're highly involved in the scene.

As far as American Idol goes- haha good idea- It's just not my style.

Thank you so much everyone for the support and advice- constructive feedback is always welcomed!

Myra

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Brad Bechtel
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posted 06-30-2006 11:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Brad Bechtel   Click Here to Email Brad Bechtel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I still wish you luck. Santa Cruz is a relatively small town, so the opportunities for making a living playing music are more limited than in other areas. Still, it's a great place in which to live, and I'm sure you can find sympathetic souls with which you can make music.

Just remember what the guitar player says - "You want fries with that?"

Here's a list of clubs in Santa Cruz. Here's an entertainment calendar. Here are some interesting links from SCUM (Santa Cruz Underground Music). And Here's a list of Santa Cruz apartments from craigslist just so you know what you're getting into.

Good luck!

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Bill McCloskey
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posted 06-30-2006 12:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill McCloskey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good luck. Sounds like you are looking for an adventure and you will certainly get it in Santa Cruz. Get ready for some sticker shock when you look for a place to live. But Santa Cruz is a college town and you might find yourself taking classes and expanding your horizens. If nothing else, you'll have something to tell the grandchildren (and if you are really lucky, something you would never tell the grandchildren.)

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wcmartin
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posted 06-30-2006 14:22     Click Here to See the Profile for wcmartin   Click Here to Email wcmartin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brad Bechtel:
Well, I still wish you luck. Santa Cruz is a relatively small town, so the opportunities for making a living playing music are more limited than in other areas. Still, it's a great place in which to live, and I'm sure you can find sympathetic souls with which you can make music.

Just remember what the guitar player says - "You want fries with that?"

Here's a list of clubs in Santa Cruz. Here's an entertainment calendar. Here are some interesting links from SCUM (Santa Cruz Underground Music). And Here's a list of Santa Cruz apartments from craigslist just so you know what you're getting into.

Good luck!


My old buddy from the Marine Corps of 60 years ago just sold his house in Santa Cruz and moved to Arkansas. Loves it. Me, I left California ( Thousand Oaks ) back in 1977 and moved to the Charlotte area ( Concord ). I'd go back to Thousand Oaks if I had a Chauffer to drive me around, but otherwise no. IBM sent me back there for a 1-year's assignment in 1986. Holy Cow! I couldn't believe how the place and people had changed. Used to be kind of laid back, but the first day there I damn near got into a fight with a guy that almost ran over my wife in a supermarket parking lot when he peeled out of his parking space, then screamed at her for not being more observant. Lucky for one of us he wouldn't get out of his car when I confronted him. Stay in Charlotte, it's a great place, the grass is always greener.....

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AZLBRAX
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posted 06-30-2006 16:46     Click Here to See the Profile for AZLBRAX   Click Here to Email AZLBRAX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

merna-

Sorry: I thought that you were opera-specific. If you're just looking to sing with some band, it would STILL be a good idea to work up a demo package as I described earlier...except that the recording should be more of contemporary tunes you can do strongly...with some kind of accompaniment (anything from backing tracks to MIDI sequences you can sing against will work...and they'll be a helluva lot easier for a home-recordist to record for you!). Limit your demo to about 5 tunes and make sure you vary the types of tunes, from one to another: something really strong and up-tempo first to grab the agent's ear, followed by a ballad, etc. You'll still need to "let your fingers do the walking" and contact booking agents in the area you want to work in...as I described in my previous post. However, a lot of times these agents will put bands together for a specific gig so, as long as you have a large repertoire of popular, danceable tunes from the 70s-thru-current, you'll, likely, find work without too much of a problem. (Buy some legal "fake-books" that include lyrics and you'll be able to build your repertoire quickly: if you don't know the "right" tunes, you won't gig!) I worked with several agents who routinely would call me to put a pick-up band together for a high-paying gig ...that wouldn't even rehearse before the gig...and, usually, they had a female vocalist they wanted me to use.

One suggestion...especially if you want to stay "grounded": don't develop a snotty "star" attitude with the folks you work with. Vocalists...male and female...are NOT most musicians favorite people to get stuck with...because most of them aren't THAT good...but they think they are! Vocalists who are down-to-earth, easy to work with, flexible and who have good senses of humor are rare.

For instance: I, once got stuck with this vocalist for a fancy gig...and my "society" band was covering all genres of music: everything from the '40s big-band crap, up through Rock and show-tunes. I called "New York, New York" (which I hate...but it WAS very popular, at the time!), which was originally recorded in 'F'. The singer insisted that she couldn't sing it in 'F' and that we MUST transpose it to 'F#'. "Okay," I said while winking at the band, "We'll do it in F# just for you!" Of course, we did it in 'F' and she never knew the difference.

Do yourself a favor and don't become a foolish and laughable prima donna, like the aforementioned vocalist. (Incidentally: she only worked with each bandleader once BECAUSE of her "star" attitude!)

Food fer thought.


Ian


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TheRealDeal
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posted 06-30-2006 17:03     Click Here to See the Profile for TheRealDeal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.... "of course we did it in "F" and she never knew the difference."
Right Ian,boy can I relate to that one.Used that trick many times over myself behind a number of singers.It's also the moment you cross your fingers and hope the singer doesn't have perfect pitch,
although you still swear up and down it was the right key.
p.s.--next new thread comin' up is right up your alley ye' old road warrior,so I think I'll be hearing from you soon,your "Action House" partner in crime,

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posted 06-30-2006 17:19     Click Here to See the Profile for outfidel   Click Here to Email outfidel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."

Hunter S. Thompson

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AZLBRAX
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posted 06-30-2006 18:38     Click Here to See the Profile for AZLBRAX   Click Here to Email AZLBRAX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


"Perfect pitch": another totally useless parlor trick.

I have relative pitch and that's been all I've ever needed!


Ian


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posted 06-30-2006 18:47     Click Here to See the Profile for TheRealDeal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here and couldn't agree more!

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AZLBRAX
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posted 06-30-2006 20:24     Click Here to See the Profile for AZLBRAX   Click Here to Email AZLBRAX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

quote:


Originally posted by TheRealDeal:

"...p.s.--next new thread comin' up is right up your alley ye' old road warrior,so I think I'll be hearing from you soon,your 'Action House' partner in crime..."




Didn't realize you played there. Thought you just went there to party. Just my senility getting in the way. Either way:

Sorry: won't be participating in your new thread about "war-stories" from the road. Most of mine are, either, too personal...or might prove to be embarrassing to folks who are still extant.

I've never been a "kiss-and-tell" kinda guy.

I'm sure the forumites, here, will be able to supply many "exciting" stories of their own, though.


Ian


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posted 06-30-2006 21:13     Click Here to See the Profile for TheRealDeal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No,you're right...just partied there...just a reference to the fact that we both have had some history with such a classic old haunt.
No "war stories",okay,be that way,I understand.

ThrRealDeal

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