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Gyde
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posted 05-09-2007 05:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Gyde   Click Here to Email Gyde     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, got carried away and found a Lyon & Healy Lakeside parlor. Thanks to Zak for fuelling my GAS ;o)

Now how to string it. I guess it will cave in if strung too hard. Would 011, 015, 022, 030, 040, 050 be too much? (Pearse Slightly Light)

Any input much appreciated.

Regards,
Christian

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bighollowtwang
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posted 05-09-2007 07:43     Click Here to See the Profile for bighollowtwang   Click Here to Email bighollowtwang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyde:
Ok, got carried away and found a Lyon & Healy Lakeside parlor. Thanks to Zak for fuelling my GAS ;o)

Now how to string it. I guess it will cave in if strung too hard. Would 011, 015, 022, 030, 040, 050 be too much? (Pearse Slightly Light)



Congrats on the new guitar! How about some photos?

I've had my Lyon & Healy Jupiter strung with .11-.52 nickel sets for a long time with no problems.

Does the Lakeside have "transverse bracing" (diagonal top brace directly below the soundhole, sloping towards the bridge on the treble side) by any chance? I think it's that unusual bracing pattern that gives my Jupiter such a huge and deep bass response.

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Larry Stevens
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posted 05-09-2007 08:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Stevens     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the guitar was designed for steel strings, then it should either withstand those slightly lighter than light strings or be reinforced such that it can.

Seems like a good idea to have a vintage guitar luthier take a look inside.

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Gyde
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posted 05-09-2007 12:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Gyde   Click Here to Email Gyde     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zak, Larry, thanks for the advices. I'll let a luthier go through it at first given opportunity.

There is a slanted bracing as you describe it Zak. This was what I was looking for. I've been on the look for a Jupiter for a while, but have only seen a couple of Lakesides. I am not sure about the wood used for the back and sides. Seller described it as marble, but compared to the look inside, the exteriour looks like dyed wood. How do I tell if it is birch (as I expect)?

Pictures:






/Christian

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bighollowtwang
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posted 05-09-2007 13:25     Click Here to See the Profile for bighollowtwang   Click Here to Email bighollowtwang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyde:
I am not sure about the wood used for the back and sides. Seller described it as marble, but compared to the look inside, the exteriour looks like dyed wood. How do I tell if it is birch (as I expect)?

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I was under the impression that the Lakesides were made with oak backs and sides, but I may be mistaken...

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slideshowbob
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posted 05-09-2007 13:28     Click Here to See the Profile for slideshowbob   Click Here to Email slideshowbob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice guitar! Congrats.

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Gyde
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posted 05-09-2007 13:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Gyde   Click Here to Email Gyde     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen the oak description too (on Ebay), but I really can't tell what wood it is. The ripples or flames seen on the outside are present on the inside as well. This makes me think birch.

/Christian

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Gyde
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posted 05-09-2007 13:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Gyde   Click Here to Email Gyde     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...Google chimes in:

Lakeside guitars first appeared around 1910. Lakeside was one of many brands marketed by Lyon and Healy of Chicago. It is unclear if Lakeside guitars were made by Lyon and Healy or made for them by other factories in the area, such as Regal. Lakeside models came in several sizes and styles, from small gut-string models to an early steel-string jumbo over 16 inches wide.
Many Lakeside guitars were made with birch backs and sides with a painted-on rosewood finish, though Ive also seen ones with oak bodies. It appears that the Lakeside brand name was only used for about ten years and that similar guitars were made under different names like Columbus, College Line, and American Conservatory. All these brands, including Lakeside, were lower priced than Lyon and Healys popular Washburn instruments.

--Richard Johnston
(Dear A.G., Acoustic Guitar 1996)

/Christian

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sfhansen
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posted 05-09-2007 17:01     Click Here to See the Profile for sfhansen   Click Here to Email sfhansen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hej Christian

con gratulation it looks really nice. I hope I'll be able to try it one day. I know that both John pearse and Newtone make strings for vintage guitars, were there is need for a lower tension. I haven't tried any of them, so I just pass the information

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Steen

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ozziebluesman
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Hi Christian,

Nice old parlor guitar there mate. I have two parlor guitars which are tuned to D, a tone below concert pitch. They are both often changed to DADGAD open D and its variences. I use light gauge acoustic strings 12s to 54s and have no problems. One guitar is a 1930s Maybell with no truss rod but a fairly thick neck. The other is a 1960s Regal parlor but it has a truss rod. As you said a good luthier will avise you best. If you are tuning to concert the 11s to 52s should be ok and not cause any carnage.

Enjoy your new parlor.

Cheers

Alan

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I have a '20ish Stella. When I first looked at it I thought, like you, that it looked so fragile. I started with extra lites, but soon felt the guitar could handle more so I moved up to lights. Now I often tune up to Spanish at A for some of the more heavy handed Delta tunes and such that I play (non-slide, lots of snapping, etc.). I've had the guitar for four years now, with no adverse effects. I don't think you need to treat a guitar that has lasted 70-80 years like it's gonna fall apart tomorrow. By all means, have a luthier check it out, but age doesn't neccessarily mean weakness. It takes strength to last that long.

All for now.
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Gyde
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posted 05-12-2007 17:53     Click Here to See the Profile for Gyde   Click Here to Email Gyde     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Bob, Alan and John C. This guitar is great fun but a bit hard to handle, switching from the 016-059 on my resos. I'll let a luthier judge how high I can go.

A few sound clips:
Lyon_Healy_1
Lyon_Healy_2
(Please pardon unwilling thumb and other distracting features of my playing)

Zak, I can't get the same sound out of is as you can with your Jupiter. Might try something more string snapping Delta and some nickles.

Steen, will give you a call next time I go to Copenhagen. Gotta try your Gallagher as well.

Thanks for the replies,
Christian

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Nina
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posted 05-12-2007 18:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Nina   Click Here to Email Nina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This looks and sounds great. I have a cool old birch parlor guitar also that I can't seem to identify. I've been told it's not a Lyon & Healy or a Stella, but other than that, I don't know what it is. I'll post a pic, maybe someone will know.

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ResoN
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I don't know why this post got bumped up, but I'm sure glad it did. I have an almost identical guitar to the one pictured by Gyde. The only difference is mine has a tailpiece that is plastic or bakelite that looks like scrambled eggs, and there is no binding around the O hole. It does not have a Lakeside stamp inside, only the remains of a paper label with pink lettering that is illegible. Since it does not have binding around the O hole I can see that the top is laminated as are the back and sides. The back and sides are not painted, they are some type of flamed wood. very pretty. It needs a neck reset.

I've always wanted to know what brand this guitar was. Now I know that it's either a Lakeside or some other brand made by the same manufacturer that made Lakeside.

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bighollowtwang
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posted 05-12-2007 19:33     Click Here to See the Profile for bighollowtwang   Click Here to Email bighollowtwang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gyde:
Zak, I can't get the same sound out of is as you can with your Jupiter. Might try something more string snapping Delta and some nickles.


My Jupiter really needs a thumbick & fingerpick and heavy right hand to get the most out of it. It's not my first choice for more delicate picking styles. Judging by the sound samples your Lakeside sounds very different from the Jupiter. The Jupiter sounds fatter in the lows and deader in the highs, based on what I can hear.

Strung w/ .11-.52 nickel strings, plastic thumbpick & one plastic fingerpick, in std. tuning and open G tuning w/ slide:

The videos are out of syc when uploaded to youtube for some reason...


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