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raggyblues
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posted 04-27-2008 14:07     Click Here to See the Profile for raggyblues   Click Here to Email raggyblues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There has been a lot of interest in 12 strings lately, so I thought I'd relate my recent experience.

I began to get interested in 12 strings as a result of skulking about in Neil Harpe's website and from time to time hearing some very intersting sounding instruments...or maybe it's just Neil's great playing. I don't know. So I bought a 1970's vintage Harmony Stella that was a near wreck and had Larry Stevens do a little work on it. Not bad for less than $180 all in. I like playing it, but it's not quite what I am looking for for the long haul. I'm sort of a guitar snob (please don't give me any crap about it), and I recently added an investment grade Gibson that is fantastic, but it's not a guitar that I'd feel comfortable taking out into the weather or traveling with.

Yesterday, I found a new Seagull Coastline S12. Cherry back and sides and cedar top. Holy Shit! I played it along side two maple Guilds, one made in China for around $1000 and the other selling for around $1700. I also compared it to four Taylors, two mahogany with spruce tops and two all koa models. They were priced from $1700 to around $2700.

Cutting to the chase, the Segaull selling for just under $500 including a super light and very cool Tric case, was clearly the best of the lot! The neck and action are perfect for me, (a little narrower than the older guitars). The sound is full and bright. It has that jingle-jangle sound that I love in a 12 string, and it's loud. I can play it lightly or I can lean into it; it really sounds great. Makes me happy. These guys up in Canada are doing some really good work, and at reasonable prices. Thought I'd pass it along.

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drive-south
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posted 04-28-2008 05:27     Click Here to See the Profile for drive-south   Click Here to Email drive-south     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell us more about the Gibson. I assume it's a 12-string as that is the topic of this note.
What Model Gibson 12?

Glad you like the Seagull. They are definately great values.

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jakeyboy
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posted 04-28-2008 05:45     Click Here to See the Profile for jakeyboy   Click Here to Email jakeyboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been casually looking for a 12-string and had ruled out a cedar top as I was worried that the sound would become a bit too muddy with the combination of the warm and fuzzy cedar and 12 strings. Obviously not the case?

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raggyblues
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posted 04-28-2008 07:53     Click Here to See the Profile for raggyblues   Click Here to Email raggyblues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To jakeyboy first. I have always found cedar to have a very open and ringing sound. I think it's very well suited to bring out the higher register of the double coursed strings. Good on the bass strings and excellent in the mid-range and trebles. For the money, you can't go wrong. I use that phrase, but actually the guitar sounds good at any price. It is not all muddy sounding. Very crisp and clean.

To drive-south. I bought the 1961 B-45 that was on Neil Harpe's site. It's a very lovely piece. Pristine, except for a couple of capo gouges on the back of the neck. The saddle needs a little attention in order to be set up correctly for my style of playing,and I intend to have that done soon. It is bassy, yet very smooth and balanced. It's got that Gibson growl, but not as much volume as the Seagull which really sings.

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Larry Stevens
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posted 04-28-2008 18:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Stevens     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The tailpeice style Gibson 12's with the bulky loose fitting adjustable ebony saddle sound a lot better with an insert and saddle like this one fitted and substituted. The original can be be archived forever or easily brought back into service. http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/Larryfstevens/Gibsonbridgeinsert.jpg

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drive-south
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posted 04-29-2008 04:58     Click Here to See the Profile for drive-south   Click Here to Email drive-south     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Gibson J185-12 that is 8-10 years old. It is a great 12-string with a very wide/shallow neck similar to a Taylor 12 neck.

I also have a Guild D25-12 from 1990 that is stable like a rock. It stays in tune forever.

Enjoy your' new 12's. You should consider setting one up for slide and keep 1 in standard tuning.

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raggyblues
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posted 04-29-2008 18:15     Click Here to See the Profile for raggyblues   Click Here to Email raggyblues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love J-185s; so much so, that I have somehow accumulated four of them from the 50's. I've played one J-185 12 string, and I really liked it. Very comfortable and it sounded good. Very balanced. I don't think there is a more comfortable size and shape out there.

I enjoy 12 fret guitars a great deal. The shorter reach is easy on my arthritis, and they usually sound quite good (I guess because of bridge and soundhole placement). So, I have commissioned Mr. Stevens to build a 12 fret J-185. We're using mahogany and Adirondack spruce. Nothing at all fancy, we're not even using binding on the back. We just want to test my hunch that it will sound great and be really accomodating to play. Oddly, I've never seen or heard of one on the market.

We'll keep you posted.

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eskimo
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posted 04-29-2008 21:57     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimo   Click Here to Email eskimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While doing a tile job over at Larry's I saw the embryonic J-185 12 and, even naked and without a neck , it was very cool.

I saw a case full of Seagulls at Elderly today and they sure are inexpensive - lotta bang for the buck. The only thing that troubles me is I often see them on the used list being sold "As-Is" w/ things that need being done - on 3 and 4 year old guitars.

I wonder if that's common or just on the earlier ones or what ?

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