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raggyblues Member Posts: 145 From: Bloomfield Hills, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2003 |
There has been a lot of interest in 12 strings lately, so I thought I'd relate my recent experience. I began to get interested in 12 strings as a result of skulking about in Neil Harpe's website and from time to time hearing some very intersting sounding instruments...or maybe it's just Neil's great playing. I don't know. So I bought a 1970's vintage Harmony Stella that was a near wreck and had Larry Stevens do a little work on it. Not bad for less than $180 all in. I like playing it, but it's not quite what I am looking for for the long haul. I'm sort of a guitar snob (please don't give me any crap about it), and I recently added an investment grade Gibson that is fantastic, but it's not a guitar that I'd feel comfortable taking out into the weather or traveling with. Yesterday, I found a new Seagull Coastline S12. Cherry back and sides and cedar top. Holy Shit! I played it along side two maple Guilds, one made in China for around $1000 and the other selling for around $1700. I also compared it to four Taylors, two mahogany with spruce tops and two all koa models. They were priced from $1700 to around $2700. Cutting to the chase, the Segaull selling for just under $500 including a super light and very cool Tric case, was clearly the best of the lot! The neck and action are perfect for me, (a little narrower than the older guitars). The sound is full and bright. It has that jingle-jangle sound that I love in a 12 string, and it's loud. I can play it lightly or I can lean into it; it really sounds great. Makes me happy. These guys up in Canada are doing some really good work, and at reasonable prices. Thought I'd pass it along. [This message has been edited by raggyblues (edited 04-27-2008).] [This message has been edited by raggyblues (edited 04-27-2008).] IP: Logged |
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drive-south Member Posts: 340 From: Worcester, MA USA Registered: Aug 2006 |
Tell us more about the Gibson. I assume it's a 12-string as that is the topic of this note. What Model Gibson 12? Glad you like the Seagull. They are definately great values. drive-south IP: Logged |
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jakeyboy Member Posts: 89 From: Brisbane Registered: Mar 2007 |
I have been casually looking for a 12-string and had ruled out a cedar top as I was worried that the sound would become a bit too muddy with the combination of the warm and fuzzy cedar and 12 strings. Obviously not the case? IP: Logged |
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raggyblues Member Posts: 145 From: Bloomfield Hills, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2003 |
To jakeyboy first. I have always found cedar to have a very open and ringing sound. I think it's very well suited to bring out the higher register of the double coursed strings. Good on the bass strings and excellent in the mid-range and trebles. For the money, you can't go wrong. I use that phrase, but actually the guitar sounds good at any price. It is not all muddy sounding. Very crisp and clean. To drive-south. I bought the 1961 B-45 that was on Neil Harpe's site. It's a very lovely piece. Pristine, except for a couple of capo gouges on the back of the neck. The saddle needs a little attention in order to be set up correctly for my style of playing,and I intend to have that done soon. It is bassy, yet very smooth and balanced. It's got that Gibson growl, but not as much volume as the Seagull which really sings.
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Larry Stevens Member Posts: 370 From: Michigan Registered: Oct 2005 |
The tailpeice style Gibson 12's with the bulky loose fitting adjustable ebony saddle sound a lot better with an insert and saddle like this one fitted and substituted. The original can be be archived forever or easily brought back into service. http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/Larryfstevens/Gibsonbridgeinsert.jpg IP: Logged |
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drive-south Member Posts: 340 From: Worcester, MA USA Registered: Aug 2006 |
I have a Gibson J185-12 that is 8-10 years old. It is a great 12-string with a very wide/shallow neck similar to a Taylor 12 neck. I also have a Guild D25-12 from 1990 that is stable like a rock. It stays in tune forever. Enjoy your' new 12's. You should consider setting one up for slide and keep 1 in standard tuning. drive-south IP: Logged |
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raggyblues Member Posts: 145 From: Bloomfield Hills, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2003 |
I love J-185s; so much so, that I have somehow accumulated four of them from the 50's. I've played one J-185 12 string, and I really liked it. Very comfortable and it sounded good. Very balanced. I don't think there is a more comfortable size and shape out there. I enjoy 12 fret guitars a great deal. The shorter reach is easy on my arthritis, and they usually sound quite good (I guess because of bridge and soundhole placement). So, I have commissioned Mr. Stevens to build a 12 fret J-185. We're using mahogany and Adirondack spruce. Nothing at all fancy, we're not even using binding on the back. We just want to test my hunch that it will sound great and be really accomodating to play. Oddly, I've never seen or heard of one on the market. We'll keep you posted. [This message has been edited by raggyblues (edited 04-29-2008).] IP: Logged |
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eskimo Member Posts: 3516 From: Midwest Registered: Feb 2004 |
While doing a tile job over at Larry's I saw the embryonic J-185 12 and, even naked and without a neck , it was very cool. I saw a case full of Seagulls at Elderly today and they sure are inexpensive - lotta bang for the buck. The only thing that troubles me is I often see them on the used list being sold "As-Is" w/ things that need being done - on 3 and 4 year old guitars. I wonder if that's common or just on the earlier ones or what ? IP: Logged |
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